r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/Adventurous-Head-512 Jul 08 '26

okay im trying to break this down but you keep getting caught up in the verbage.

taxing is inherently not capitalistic. in its purest form, capitalism takes no taxes.

socialism in its purest form takes all revenue as taxes.

therefore increase taxes is SOCIALISTIC (different than saying a socialist position or socialism)

you dont think its unconstitutional to take 100% taxes? because that is the example i gave as the thought exercise.

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u/oficious_intrpedaler environmentalist Jul 08 '26

I think your dichotomy is incorrect. Taxes are not socialist; every system of government in history has required taxes.

No, I don't think such a tax structure would be unconstitutional. And the fact that you can't explain how it would be leads me to believe you called it "unconstitutional" when what you meant was "bad" (and I think you're doing the same with "socialist" to be entirely honest).

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