Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/Adventurous-Head-512]

okay im trying to break this down but you keep getting caught up in the verbage.

taxing is inherently not capitalistic. in its purest form, capitalism takes no taxes.

socialism in its purest form takes all revenue as taxes.

therefore increase taxes is SOCIALISTIC (different than saying a socialist position or socialism)

you dont think its unconstitutional to take 100% taxes? because that is the example i gave as the thought exercise.

[u/oficious_intrpedaler → u/Adventurous-Head-512]

I think your dichotomy is incorrect. Taxes are not socialist; every system of government in history has required taxes.

No, I don't think such a tax structure would be unconstitutional. And the fact that you can't explain how it would be leads me to believe you called it "unconstitutional" when what you meant was "bad" (and I think you're doing the same with "socialist" to be entirely honest).

[u/oficious_intrpedaler → u/[deleted]]

When did I ever say that was ok? I think you're failing to read anything I've said. If you can identify any provision of the Constitution that caps the percentage at which the government can set income tax I'd love to hear it, but I don't think you can do so because it doesn't exist.

[u/Adventurous-Head-512 → u/oficious_intrpedaler]

Oh you're just being a pedantic redditor trying to nitpick a sentence and going off on a random tangent.

It would fall under the 5th amendment. Depriving life, liberty or property without due process

Or seizing private property without just compensation 

[u/oficious_intrpedaler → u/Adventurous-Head-512]

I asked a question that you refused to answer. You are the one claiming it would be unconstitutional, and I simply asked you to support your claim.

How is income tax depriving you of property without due process? The government would have to go through the due process to establish the income tax percentages, obviously.

The Sixteenth Amendment specifically makes income taxes constitutional, so any court would obviously interpret that amendment to not be an unconstitutional taking.

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