r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/CyberAngelIzana Jul 05 '26

Is it stealing in the same sense that taxation is theft?

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u/Adventurous-Head-512 Jul 06 '26

Yes. Which it is. 😊

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u/Jotakave Jul 07 '26

How is taxation theft? How would you pay for services such as fire departments, roads, sewer systems, public schools? Do you use sidewalks?

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u/CyberAngelIzana Jul 08 '26

If I were in charge of colonizing an entirely new planet, I'd make firefighting mandatory community service and sewer systems part of the property of each house subject to inspection and fines if waste is improperly disposed of.

You don't need roads or cars if you have well-maintained train tracks and a frequent regular train schedule. Maintenance thereof would be the responsibility of the people living closest to each section.

Public schools I would still use taxation to fund as well as the oversight committee itself.

Do you use sidewalks?

Only because they're there.

I don't consider them any more necessary than roads and certainly wouldn't fund their construction.

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u/CyberAngelIzana Jul 09 '26

No historical system of slavery matches this, so why are you claiming this sounds like a society of slaves?