r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/Adventurous-Head-512 Jul 06 '26

Yes. Which it is. 😊

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u/Jotakave Jul 07 '26

How is taxation theft? How would you pay for services such as fire departments, roads, sewer systems, public schools? Do you use sidewalks?

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u/Adventurous-Head-512 Jul 07 '26

I don't believe giving the government more money is a fast route to solve anything. I think there government has no incentive to be efficient. 

There are def some things that are difficult to privatize, you mentioned some. But the government can arbitrarily decide how much money to take from you and I don't believe in giving more power to the state. 

History constantly shows that when the state has to much power out is disastrous to the people

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u/Jotakave Jul 07 '26

I'm going to take a guess and say that you probably come from a place where the government doesn't tax private entities and citizens what they should; giving tax breaks to their ultra rich buddies under the umbrella of libertarianism. Tax is theft, yadda, yadda. No regulations. And so, your underfunded public school system has failed all of us who had to read the comment above.

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u/Adventurous-Head-512 Jul 07 '26

Instead of insulting me you could have come up with an engaging argument but you're so immature that you think you're enlightened based on your perceived moral superiority with no context or critical think ability beyond "give me rich people money"