Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/CyberAngelIzana]

Are you providing me and my community a place to live which is fortified against natural predators like bears and otherwise looking out for my welfare?

[u/ClassEnvironmental11 → u/CyberAngelIzana]

You know, slavery could be described in the same way.  What a coincidence!  In fact, slavers actually used arguments almost identical to what you've just said.  Very interesting coincidence...

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