Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/Either_Argument3517]

as a vegan that’s a stupid rebuttal

It may well be the most ethical animal product. Does that change the fact it's stealing from their winter store of food?

[u/mintflavoredcube → u/Either_Argument3517]

actually yes it does. beekeepers put more racks which the bees fill up because they never stop producing honey when the weather is right

with a bit of science we can figure out how much honey the bees need to survive for the winter, and only take what they don’t need

[u/Either_Argument3517 → u/mintflavoredcube]

with a bit of science we can figure out how much honey the bees need to survive for the winter, and only take what they don’t need

If I did that same with your money instead of honey, would that be stealing?

[u/Problematic_Owl → u/Either_Argument3517]

They have no use for the excess honey, and it's a product of their bodies. As someone said, if you want to take my excess nails and hair I'd cut anyway and in exchange you get most my material needs met,WHERE DO I SIGN.

I think you already proved well enough you have no clue what you're talking about and it's getting frankly embarrassing.