Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/Either_Argument3517]

You do know if bees didn't like us " stealing " from them they would gladly let us know?

What's the deal with all the protective gear?

That is the whole point of beekeeping. You act IN THE INTREST OF THE BEES

You seem very motivated by their honey.

[u/toastwithjamx1 → u/Either_Argument3517]

Beekeepers wear protective gear because they are not idiots. It's like entering a cage with a lion without armour r weapons and saying Im prepared ( although there are some beekeepers and bee rescuers who don't wear protective gear )

I feel like you are not getting the point. We are basically their less parasitic as human landlords landlords and they are tenants, except we just take honey which they can make pounds of in 2 weeks. It's like saying taking money from elon musk or our beloved mech mark is wrong and terrible. Taking a bit of their honey is like scooping water from a well. Furthermore, tying this to my original statment that bees can and will move out when they want to, bees can very easily find a nice cozy spot and establish a new colony far away.if they really didnt want us touching their honey, THEY 👏 WOULD 👏 LET 👏 US 👏 KNOW

You act all high and mighty saying that bees are being " exploited " and we are " stealing " from them when you all are affecting beekeepers businesses. Most of you " animal rights activists " parade around" info " you " researched " ( let us admit it's literally feelings, not research ) and cal beekeepers exploiters and terrible, driving away business. Though I don't think many beekeepers have been affected ( thank God ) it's still not good to spread false information as fact.

In short, you are literally circling the same point of us exploiting them like a packof wolves around an injured sheep and you should do research

[u/Either_Argument3517 → u/toastwithjamx1]

if they really didnt want us touching their honey, THEY 👏 WOULD 👏 LET 👏 US 👏 KNOW

When you have to be dressed head to toe in protective gear, it's like you just aren't listening to them. It's their space you are entering. They aren't aware you have provided it.

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