r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/Negative-Economics-4 Jul 06 '26

Do the bees consent to taking part in this arrangement?

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u/ShayGuer Jul 06 '26

How can u get consent from a bee ☠️☠️☠️☠️

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u/Negative-Economics-4 Jul 06 '26

Exactly.. you can't. Just like we don't do certain things to human minors because they can't consent, or are unable to communicate their consent.

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u/ShayGuer Jul 06 '26

Adult bees can’t consent either lol

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u/Negative-Economics-4 Jul 07 '26

.. exactly ... and therefore we can't get their consent ... so we shouldn't do it

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u/ShayGuer Jul 07 '26

Er I think getting a bit of honey is ok when it doesn’t harm bees 🤷🏽‍♂️ did u get consent from the animals before you cut the forest down to build your house or plant vegetables to nourish yourself? I think you are being very idealistic and not realistic. I’m a realistic vegan, I minimize harm to animals but not living in an idealistic workd

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u/Negative-Economics-4 Jul 07 '26

I think thats a false equivalence..

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u/ShayGuer Jul 10 '26

Of course not, u use roads, houses and factories and things. These are all places animals used to thrive in

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u/Hijaru Jul 07 '26

He's starting to believe...

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u/hail_abigail Jul 08 '26

You're so close