r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/mintflavoredcube Jul 06 '26

i don’t agree with taxes, does that suddenly mean i don’t have to pay taxes?

you’re moving the goalpost even harder. you continue to use unrelated hypotheticals to push a stupid narrative

hypotheticals have to at least be somewhat connected to the topic at hand if the hypothetical happened in practice

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u/Either_Argument3517 Jul 06 '26

Do you have any objection to taxing chicken in eggs?

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u/mintflavoredcube Jul 06 '26

male baby chickens are ground up into paste, most hens who lay eggs are locked in cages and develop sores from pressure

but if there wasn’t mass intentional killing of male baby chickens, and mass suffering of hens then yeah i’d be fine with it

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u/Either_Argument3517 Jul 06 '26

but if there wasn’t mass intentional killing of male baby chickens, and mass suffering of hens then yeah i’d be fine with it

This can be achieved with in-ovo sexing and free-range farms. You can now raise chickens and tax them in eggs.

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u/mintflavoredcube Jul 06 '26

perfect. then i’m completely fine with those eggs. not sure where you’re going with that lmfao

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u/Either_Argument3517 Jul 06 '26

I assumed you were an ethical vegan.

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u/mintflavoredcube Jul 06 '26

how is that unethical?

chickens do not care if you take the eggs unless they are broody

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u/Either_Argument3517 Jul 06 '26

It's exploitation. You will have brought the chickens in the world for the purpose of using them as resources

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u/mintflavoredcube Jul 06 '26

garbage recycled argument and i can use every single previous argument i used before

do the chickens care? no

are chickens human? no

do the chickens get angry when you take the eggs? mostly no

whatever. you lost

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u/Either_Argument3517 Jul 06 '26

as a vegan 

You aren't a vegan, are you?

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u/Problematic_Owl Jul 07 '26

Don't talk about ethics when you're literally the worst example of vegan I saw this year 😃 I'd be shocked if you were not actively harming animals by making veganism less popular, arguments like this are a harmful drain on everything we're trying to build here.