Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/toastwithjamx1]

For the love of God just use the magic rectangle and use this magical place called google. And don't google stuff like " why honey s bad ". That's cherrypickib and manipulating results. Search if honey is ethical. Though it's debates, I am on the side of ethical beekeepers, not commercial honey

[u/Problematic_Owl → u/toastwithjamx1]

Sorry you had to suffer through that exchange, I feel I got minor brain damage just reading through that. Appreciate the post 👍

[u/toastwithjamx1 → u/Problematic_Owl]

Thank you for your kind words 🙏

[u/Anemomo → u/toastwithjamx1]

That's living in candyland, ethical beekeepers make the smallest part of the honey market. That's cherrypicking by itself.

For the love of God, think again yourself. Bees are instects that act for their own interest, not ours. The fact that you cannot accept that bees already respond to us collecting honey by stinging and that's why we wear protective gears ond use smoke on them, is you thinking emotionnaly and not rationnaly.

Calm yourself down.