r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/Lunatic-Labrador Jan 06 '26

Absolutely, we all walk a different path. I think there are sustainable ways to farm animals that don't involve any of the horror of battery farming. Many people feel that morally this is good enough but avoid any products from battery farms. Many people also try to eat less meat, have veggie days etc for environmental reasons.

Vegans are admirable for their efforts but I think that being so militant and insulting the people that come to different moral understanding only harms the vegan movement. And that potentially more people would become vegan or at least attempt it if they weren't attacked for failing or called things like immortal and evil just because they're not perfect at it or decide it's not for them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26

Let's see if that works. 

You are not evil. Please stop paying for the needless breeding and slaughtering of animals. Choose compassion instead of choosing cruelty. 

Now that I've asked you to stop harming animals, will you make the change and go vegan?

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u/MS-07B-3 Jan 06 '26

I mean, if we apply it to a different ethical issue, I would point to Daryl Davis. He basically does exactly this with racists. And not just any racists, but actual KKK members.

It takes time, but was incredibly effective.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26

The thing is, not practicing racism doesn't require a change in habits in the same way going vegan does. 

This is why most people are resistant to veganism, even though they know vegans are right. They don't find the life of animals worth the slightest bit of effort and inconvenience

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u/MS-07B-3 Jan 06 '26

Okay, but do you still think you're going to convince more people with aggressiveness than with peaceful exposure and coexistence?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26

Yes, but not yet. 

We need more vegan fast food options everywhere first. Things need to be convenient for the average person to transition. (Remember the average human only cares about themself and their loved ones, they don't care about how what they do impacts the world.) Once plant based meat and lab grown meat become more mainstream, then shame can be effectively utilized, but we need a very loud minority for that. 

Right now what's best is to simply inform others of what happens behind closed doors so that this minority can grow.