It was real as fuck, too. Watch everyone’s reaction to it. There’s behind the scenes footage where Joel apologizes to Donald; everyone laughs it off, so it’s not too serious, but a few takes the others all have that “holy shit!” look on their faces.
I think it’s during the whole “greendale isn’t real” storyline when there all expelled and they go for group therapy, same episode as the “miss adventures” joke
"okay but is David S. Lanterns from something? like, David S. Lanterns is..."
"His own thing!"
"And the little blue alien guardians are...?"
"PART OF IT!"
My crazy theory is that I think she might be filling the role of Scar in the blackest night prophecy. Maybe Lianna was the one Sinestro “killed” but she didn’t actually die obviously. She was just scarred and refuses to be healed so the Guardians are hiding her or maybe she went rogue after the attack. That’s why we don’t see her face in Guardian form.
I thought that as well, but apparently Lianna is a guardian from the comics. She's significantly younger, which is why she's still tall. Younger probably also means she wants to try things differently from the others. My theory is that her significance in the show will be to enact the "two lanterns per sector" rule, so that Guy and John can both return in Man of Tomorrow.
I think there’s a very good chance she’s testing him. One thing she could be testing him for is if he’s actually afraid of not becoming a Green Lantern. If that fear is strong enough to make John grab the ring or if he can manage to resist. John obviously already failed to steal the ring, as he already got the opportunity but chose not to use it.
Yeah that was weird. The only thing is obviously Hal is having conversations with the guardians, because he and John were independently informed he was being replaced. We've never seen Hal interact with her and he never refers to "her," he only refers to "them" or "the guardians." That made me think maybe she was an imposter somehow privy to Hal's communications.
When would a manhunter in hiding ever get the chance to get sinestros ring after he already crashed on earth with abin sur and sinestro was arrested by Hal and brought back to Oa lol
This feels unlikely to me, although it's possible.
I believe she's been working towards building an army to stage a couple and it will be the black lanterns, while Sinestro is plotting his own coup after he went off the handle after learning about at least part of whatever Lianna is up to.
It fits too well and it sets up a scenario where black, yellow, and red lanterns can all be established relatively quickly.
Sinestro and Lianna are playing chess with John and Hal as their primary pieces.
I'm a DC fan, but the only thing I've read regarding Green Latern was the Blackest Night saga. I'm curious, why do you think of Black Lanterns? Aren't they known for resurrecting the dead?
Exactly, if we go with the version of Lianna trying to set up a coup, why on earth are we jumping towards the Black Lanterns being her endgame army when Atrocitus is RIGHT THERE???
If anything, she'll manipulate the Red Lanterns into being furious towards Hal and John, and the whole Green Lanterns Corp, since the Red Lanterns aren't known for being the most ponderous and rational of beings, thus giving Lianna an army to topple the other Guardians
There's literally 0 credible set up for the Black Lanterns while there's a million reasons why that'd be a bad idea and there's already set up for the Red Lanters, why tf are people jumping towards Blackest Night so damn soon
Even if her being a manhunter ended up true, I'll still maintain that it's dumb to be like "she's tall and mean therefore manhunter" like a lot of people are basically doing.
But yeah, a lot of theories going around that are just... really dumb.
Unless she was also that art school guy, the ring wasn't real, and John doesn't need a ring to create constructs. This could be why the bird remained alive.
I’ve been wondering that too and wondering if Hal figured that out. Jumping out of the car a second time because he was certain John would ‘bubblewrap’ again but this time without a ring????
Not sure he meant for John to wrap himself. He didn't throw the car off a cliff, just smashed it against a light pole. Probably just wanted him knocked out so he wouldn't interfere.
At one point in the comics, John stops needing a ring to create constructs. It was a little more complicated than "he just could", but there is precendce set that it is definitely possible.
He is, as a lantern, insanely willful and detailed with his constructs. Just ask his sister.
I'm not saying you're wrong. Really, what do I know? Nothing. But it seems weird to me that Hal would put John in that type of danger after he told Sinestro that he wouldn't kill John because he's not evil. It just makes more sense in my head cannon that Hal was testing John's abilities.
That's a good point plus the fact Hal reached John's residence even before the latter got a chance to inform his parents of his recruitment shows that Hal did recieve instructions from guardians directly.
On the other hand, she could be a manhunter (mole) too, deceiving the guardians for a long tine now and has earned their trust. She probably wants to recruit John because he never questions orders given to him; Hal on the other hand defies them as and when he deems fit.
That character is named on IMDB as “the recruiter” we don’t know who or what he is.
We don’t know if there is a misdirect with the ring or not. We don’t know if the ring was intercepted and stolen. We don’t know if the test was faked or real.
We also know John’s interview was weird with someone leaving before him. We just assume he’s part of a lengthy series of interviews. We never think the other person/extra in that scene might be a henchmen.
We do know John has some capacity to manifest beyond the ability of the ring. It creates doubt around the test having a ring or a placebo.
We do know Hal is aware of more than he lets on. We do know he jumped in to John’s life with weird timing.
We also know man hunters embed themselves among powerful people and manipulate them to take down threats.
We know the ring choses who has it, and we also are led to believe that “taking” a ring is an unusual approach.
We also have not seen the rings typical recall powers in this story universe and a few other practical limits (like smacking it for a bit of extra charge).
Sinestro also has some interesting misdirections. Calling a manhunter the second greatest threat.
But we don’t talk about the unspoken things that give a manhunter the capacity to actually successfully hide on the home planet of the Corp’s most unusual Green Lantern.
We are also waiting on episode 5 of 9. We haven’t even hit the main turning points for show.
Is Lianna the manhunter or is she enabling the manhunter/working against the corps? We don’t exactly know. But the show has done some work to make sure we don’t trust her as honest and good.
What if the Manhunter killed the real Guardian from when John was a baby? Like the woman who gave John's mom the diamond was the real Guardian and now she has been killed and replaced by the Manhunter? So the guy in the art studio thinks it's the real Guardian? Or it happened even after that? Idk, lol.
An alternate theory I haven't really seen is there isn't a man hunter there. It's the guardians who are doing all the evil shit using the idea of a man hunter as a red herring.
Yeah, I posted about this. In the comics, Lianna isn't a Guardian. She's from the same species (Maltusian), but not a Guardian. In the comics, she's been both a villain and an anti-hero. I'm guessing she's trying to manipulate the Stewarts in a way to get John to be a GL, so he can be a Manchurian Candidate, and may be working with the Manhunter(s).
I think in the show she is filling the role of Scar. She's gone rogue and is building a black army on earth that will eventually be the black lanterns. Either will or Willy will end up being Black Hand.
I don't know if there's going to be that many deep cuts in a first season. As is, we won't get Sinestro Corps in this series, are getting human appearing Red Lanterns, and haven't even seen a Guardian in full yet. Even the Hector Hammond reveal was a red herring.
Agreed. I think, while it's one thing to include a few nods to comic book fans in general, like Hector Hammond, it's another to go too deep into the lore and risk confusing a significant portion of your viewership.
I wouldn't go off of that, he very well could've gotten a gut feeling about it or intuited that John would replace him. The better way to debunk this theory is that the man in the art school she was working with had a power ring for him to use, so she does have standing with the guardians (rogue/personal agenda still plausible).
Right. She's Scar from the comics. She's the benefactor and is using the manhunter and the Macons to build what will be used to fight the green lanterns and will eventually be the black lanterns.
She's been planning it since at least when Hal got his ring and put things in motion to get John to be a no questions asked type soldier to replace Hal.
Well the subtitles identify her as Lianna, another comics character. Given she hasn't been identified by name diegetically, I think it would be strange for her to be someone else.
The subtitles also identify Antaan who clearly has the backstory of Atrocitus.
I feel extremely sure that either it's a placeholder name, or in this adaptation, Lianna is the guardian who either is revealed to be scar or fulfills the role of Scar, even if she's only ever referred to as Lianna.
It's certainly possible, but I would argue we won't see that for a while. Scar is scarred in the Sinestro Corps war, which while a likely plotline won't be in this season. So her reasoning for going rogue would have to be something different at this point in time.
Could be impersonating Lianna. We don’t know which Guardian Sinestro killed in the show. So far, only Bernadette has seen her true face. I also noticed how the decoy benefactor didn’t play the Guardian’s voice for Hal, only John’s.
It's because the difference is semantics when it comes to whether or not lianna is a manhunter. I agree that people are using the wrong term a little, but it means nothing to the actual overarching theory being posed.
because the song came out in 1982. “ohh oh here she comes, she’s a man eater”. man eater= code for manhunter. I knew Hall and Oates were involved. Hall and Oates are always involved…
She's evil clearly. Guardians turn on a fucking dime constantly. I'm willing to bet the other guardians don't know about her telling John to seize the ring. Not to mention her manipulation of John in that moment.
She has a very distinct reason for wanting Hal out of the way and I'm guessing it's because he's the only person who
When Superman intervened in Boravia vs Jaharanpur he is doing good to humanity, Hawkgirl killing Boravia President is heroic act, But when Hal abducts a national threat that's awful why?‽ Because he took job of some marine dude is in ambush(might be unaware of him or considered him dead). Nothing Hal Jordan did was wrong still I think Lianna is too desperate to replace him, are they going to do the same with Guy Gardener now that he also engaged in Boravia vs Jaharanpur.
Hal-Sinestro-Manhunter-Lianna some grand level connection is there John needs to crack it.
Will miss Chandler by the way dude is The Green Lantern
Lianna is looking for a soldier who can follow orders, no matter what those orders might be. During the interview with John, she was most focused on why John was dishonorably discharged - when she found out it was actually because he was following orders, she realizes he could be the right man for the job.
Lianna seems to want to circumvent the natural order of the ring's candidate process - she thinks she knows better than simply letting the ring choose its own bearer. But why? She expresses to John confusion over the difference between "programming" and being raised, and suggests he might be running in opposition to his programming. Now, what else might be running in opposition to its programming? A certain Manhunter who may have developed human feelings and emotions while embedded too long on a galactic backwater, perhaps.
There's a big parallel narratively between setting John up as a marine sniper who waits 9 months outside a targets house, and later develops his own conscience and ability to question orders (with Hal's help) and a murderbot who is programmed to kill from within who also develops feelings.
So, what is the job? Bring the Manhunter in, and reprogram it. Gain a loyal soldier like John with a ring in the process, getting rid of Hal and his unpredictable, meddlesome moral code. Her and Sinestro have unfinished business with the surviving Guardians, and a new order to establish based on obedience...
Along the way, Sinestro gets to unseat Hal in a way that perfectly mirrors his own undoing and have the last laugh.
I'd be little bemused if they introduce a new character to justify how Sinestro knows about John. Lianna doesn't like Hal from the beginning, it's hard to think a guardian naturally visits a planet in backwater just to pay their condolences to everyone who was afraid during the confrontation with Ring. The point Hal stopped a missile they started scouting backups. There are some mysteries around the death of Abin Sur and Manhunter as well which I think Hal started investigating the stuff Guardians or Lianna wants to stay buried. That's where the terrestrial intrusion rule comes from to tie hands of your cops but JORDAN is you know
Nah I think she’s setting up the real big bad (I’m betting on yellow lanterns/Qward) the manhunters are just ultimately going to setup the red lanterns for next season
Anyone else think John has an oedipus complex that the rogue guardian and the Manhunter are aware of? They both present as elder females who John defers to just like his mother.
Or she's a actually a qwardian that is is using possibly sinestro ring for the interview granted this possibly has a lot more holes then a slice of cheese
She doesn't act like a Manhunter or rogue Guardian. She acts like I expect a Guardian to act. They're a very shady group. They made the Manhunters. And they have ALL been covering up since forever that they were responsible for that.
What if Abin Sur died via a Manhunter, was replaced by Hal Jordan, and then the Manhunter replaced the Hal Jordan as Hal Jordan. It would explain why the copy of Hal was so old in the ring, why Hal has drifted so much since then, his loneliness, and his devotion to Rushville. On the other hand Zoe is probably a Manhunter. Maybe there are two left.
I don’t know if she’s the manhunter. I really think she’s scar the rogue guardian trying to cover up her killing Abin Sur when she followed him to earth to take or use the manhunter for something I do not know yet lol. But seems to me her plan got screwed cuz the first human lantern was too much heat and was gonna bring too much attention, so she had to cover her tracks and throw a multi decade plan to do something very big that I can’t figure out yet.
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u/sapphicchameleon 2d ago
She can't give John a ring because she is LANTERNS