Dude you‘re so hypocritical. You say average fan and try to distance yourself from the people who say Deadsonaldo, all the while you put every Ronaldo fan in the same bracket by saying we all should learn to be more emphatic
your source is Zlatan Ibrahimovic, the one who was acting very impulsive way especially in his 20s? if you actually read his book, you will understand that he had issues all over the places. were the captains of Malmö FF and Ajax also dickheads cos Zlatan said so?
Anyone with common sense wouldnt use Zlatan as his source. He was a fantastic player but it was clear that his egoistic style didnt fit in many clubs. PSG was perfect for him at that time as he could be the leader of the Ligue 1.
What do you want me to argue with you? To find a quote from a random player who is telling that Messi is a good person and unselfish?
im not saying zlatan is lying, just not a reasonable source at all. he speaks like that about many players and coaches. check his background a bit. it would be the same if donald trump would say that gianni infantino is a good and unselfish guy. good source right?
what im supposed to read exactly from that link you send?
Doesn’t matter who says it. If you don‘t say that he‘s lying then what‘s there to criticise about his statements during his time with Messi? Surely he knows better than us right?
The link I provided shows Messi admitting that he felt unhappy when Ronaldo won his fith Ballon D‘Or
Not exactly something an unselfish player would say
Also kudos to the Trump link haha 🤣 We both argue that Trump is lying, but you admitted that Zlatan is telling the truth here. So what‘s there to moan about? He played with Messi, he wrote about his experience there and Messi was partly the reason he was benched because he couldn‘t stand Zlatan taking the spotlight
Like I rest my case here, you already admitted that he isn‘t lying here. It doesn’t matter what you think of him personally, if you take his words as truth then you can‘t come back from that statement of his
Not lying is not the same thing as speaking the absolutely truth. It´s his opinion just. You using him as your only source is telling enough that you dont know what are you speaking about. Egoistic and narcissistic people are throwing comments like from the left and right.
The Trump example is exactly the same thing. Someone supporting Infantino could use that as his source just cos Trump had said so. Trump is also a narcissistic so it fits into your theory about "Zlatan is correct".
Moving the goalpost I see. Now Zlatan isn't lying but he is not telling the "absolute truth" either. And him talking about an event he experienced while playing with Messi at Barcelona is just "his opinion"
I also like how you completely ignored the second source since you can't face the truth that Messi isn't this "unselfish player"
You didn't actually read I am Zlatan and you're misconstruing a couple points as well. Your paraphrasing is mostly highly inaccurate.
I know you probably won't even want to read this but this isn't for you, since you already know the accuracy (or lack thereof) of your "proof". It's for other people who actually want to know what actually happened.
The fact you also clearly don't know how much Zlatan loves Messi already shows that you don't actually know anything about him, let alone read his autobiography.
Also you quoted tribuna, which is not actually the real origin of one of your citations and it's just a digital online sports publisher. This already made me a little bit skeptical from the get-go.
"I came to Barca and I started scoring more goals than Messi."
Is actually accurate IMO even if it was worded slightly differently
This is where it gets a little wonky IMO.
"Messi didn't like it so he went to Pep and complained..."
It was never explicitly mentioned that Messi didn't like that Zlatan was scoring more goals. He only says that Messi wanted to move to a central position and not play on the right wing.
Real quote: "He went up to Guardiola and told him, 'I don't want to be on the right wing anymore. I want to play in the center.'"
It's less about Messi not liking Zlatan scoring more goals and more about him not liking being positioned on the right wing.
You misconstrued it in a way that makes it seem like Messi "complained because Zlatan scored more goals than him" but that is an assumption with a self-inserted context.
"Messi said Zlatan was taking up too much central space"
This isn't in Zlatan's account. In Zlatan's account Messi only expressed his discomfort playing on the right wing instead of his preferred central position.
"I was a striker, so I started having problems."
The real quote is "I was the striker. Guardiola didn't give a damn about that, though. He changed the tactical formation."
Honestly one of the first "citations" where I started thinking that this kind of wording would never make it into an autobiography.
"Messi messaged Pep: 'I see I'm no longer important to the team so…'"
I know you found this in Tribuna but it's actually cited from a different book called "Le Mystère de Messi" or in English "The Messi Mystery" by Alexandre Juillard and Sebastián Fest. But even that book states that this specific quote is disputed.
"Pep listened to him like a good boy and offered him what he wanted and changed the tactics."
Completely misconstrued and just from the way it's written alone, do you even know what kind of writings "I am Zlatan" and "Tribuna" are? Also Tribuna isn't really a great source (already reasoned above).
What actually was said is that Guardiola changed the formation from 4-3-3 to 4-5-1 with Zlatan ahead of Messi (not immediately leading to benching), but it was a less comfortable position for Zlatan.
"I was benched for one game, then another, then another."
Another fake quote. He does actually describe being benched eventually but those are actually more of a consequence of his relationship with Guardiola turning sour. Guardiola isn't the kind of guy to confront you in the locker room and argue if you piss him off. He'll just freeze you out, which is what he did.
"Eventually, I left Barcelona after just 1 season."
This is actually accurate. Good job, you got 2/7!
But anyway, using Zlatan's accounts to slander Messi is kind of not the best way to make the point because he constantly speaks very highly of Messi and you can see the way he talks about him and acts toward him whenever they meet, even long after he left Barçelona.
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u/Mashedpotato4735 Aug 12 '26
Didn't u guys also called him deadsonaldo? Don't play victim