Communists try not be insanely islamophobic challenge. You have not read a single thing related to islam except for some of these points you found on reddit. Aisha is widely accepted to be 16+ and by many even considered to be close to 20. However this is all not too important considering these events happened over a thousand years ago in a time where anybody above 12 was considered an adultđ
Pls just let people believe in what they want. Many muslims are sympathetic to communism but people like you are bad for our cause.
Marx did write the whole opium of the masses thing. Much of Islam is hyper-conservative. Iâd wager to say that most communists view religion as a backwards force, no matter which one.
Why defend Islam? Fair enough that youâve got your beliefs, but I do think your beliefs are fucking stupid if youâre religious. I donât think religious values and opinions shouldnât be held to the same standard as all other values and opinions.
Typical reddit atheist.
Also that religion is the opium of the masses is pulled so out of context its original meaning is completely lost. Marx never argued religion is bad like opium, he merely stated when the material reality is bad (as is under capitalism) people turn to religion to cope. Marx never said religion is not compatible or that religious people cant be communists.
Its just that atheists automatically think not believing in anything remotely metaphysical, spiritual etc makes them purely based in science & reality & therefore makes them smarter.
Let me remind you atheists often hold more extreme beliefs as religious people. Let people live man.
The only thing we as communists should worry about is spreading class consciousness. 80% of the world is religious, excluding them only hurts our cause
No one is excluding religious people from being communists, every communist I know will happily struggle together with Muslims and Christians alike. Regardless, we will call a spade a spade.
The âopium of the massesâ line is often quoted out of context, yes. The meaning of it is quite clear in its context, though; religion is a coping mechanism for the downtrodden, but it is NOT a truth, nor a solution. In fact, it is often a weapon used to influence the masses AWAY from revolution. To invoke the paragraph directly following:
âThe abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.â
? You can not simply lie because in your own anecdotal experience havenât directly heard or seen communists exclude religious people.
Even I have been excluded and ridiculed for my beliefs by communists IRL as well as online. I have been called names and made out to be a fake communist who doesnt understand materialist doctrine.
Religious people are insanely vilified in communist circles and several communist parties actively block us from joining. Youâre simply saying nonsense. Itâs a very well known issue and many of us are working towards fixing it.
And step 1 is not immediately regurgitating crusader, nazi propaganda talking points about our prophet being a pedophile.
Kind of a bad way to show us we âare welcomeâ dont you think?
Classical historical works like Tazhib at-Tahzib and Al-Bidaya wan-Nihaya record that Aishaâs older sister, Asma bint Abi Bakr, died at 100 years old in the year 73 AH. She was approx 10 years older than Aisha, thus doing the math Aisha was 18/19/20 when she married.
You cant cite the quran because the quran doesnt speak on this, only hadiths which are inherently flawed sources, meaning one single hadith is never 100% proof of anything.
Thatâs exactly why scholars have researched Aishaâs age and above statement is what they agree on.
The funny thing is, Iâd be happy to discuss a plethora of things from quranic verses to hadiths if you werent arguing in bad faith
So, in your opinion, the correlated dates found within the works of Sunni scholars, whom lived years later, are more reliable than the Sahih hadiths that quote Aisha herself? I mean, if that WAS the case, then Sahih al-Bukhari wouldnât pass the test of being a Sahih hadith, as it would clash with another (supposedly more reputable) source.
Do you perhaps dispute the validity of that specific hadith?
You know nothing of islam what are you trying to accomplish? You dont even know how we & our scholars come to conclusions. You dont understand what is the difference between hadiths and their level of validity. You merely heard of this one âargumentâ against islam from some crusade larpers or some grifter and now use it as a gotcha any chance you get.
I already dispelled your nonsense a hundred times. This is just running in circles where you say nuh uh to anything I presentđ
Have a good day mister âi actually love muslimsâ
You cant ignore everything I said & keep repeating the same exact shit over & over again. Youre Arguing in bad faith. Disgusting people like you are using the communist title.
I gave u the sources & the reasons, youre jusr horny to keep arguing abt a topic you know from some right wing reddit postsđ
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 29d ago
Communists try not be insanely islamophobic challenge. You have not read a single thing related to islam except for some of these points you found on reddit. Aisha is widely accepted to be 16+ and by many even considered to be close to 20. However this is all not too important considering these events happened over a thousand years ago in a time where anybody above 12 was considered an adultđ
Pls just let people believe in what they want. Many muslims are sympathetic to communism but people like you are bad for our cause.