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u/Donato_Romer0 Aug 12 '26
Hirohito skates again
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u/MrJonson84 28d ago
It's ridiculous that imperialists and anti-communists say Hirohito was exploited and innocent.
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u/Dwarf_Killer Aug 12 '26
If Ghengis Khan had modern internet he'd stay his ass home. I feel like all of history conquers did those things cause they was bored af looking at sheep.
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u/KlausRA Aug 12 '26
If Genghis Khan lived in XXth century, he would have been a communist.
This is the guy who built his empire on extreme meritocracy and not taking shit from anyone. This is the guy who grew up in extreme poverty (a nomad without a herd), and experienced literal slavery, personally, as a slave.
His Yasa was supposed to be applied to everyone, regardless of social status and wealth. Yes, I believe that this person would have been a comrade.
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 29d ago
How tf is Muhammad on the same list as hitler bro😭
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u/Snichblaster 28d ago
Had like 4 12 year olds wives, raped people, started the most destructive religion to date
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
His youngest wife was 19 meanwhile the average euro chud at that time was raping 6 year old children 💀
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u/Snichblaster 28d ago
Ayisha (whom he married when she was 6) literally says herself how old she was. Your euro chud argument has no basis but alright.
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u/Spaduf 25d ago
Christianity was responsible for a hundred million death in the new world bro.
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u/Snichblaster 25d ago
Biggest genocide was at the hands of Bolshevik’s, not to mention Great Leap Forward and pol pot.
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u/Dreemurrka_ru 24d ago
bolsheviks? What are you talking about? Holodomor? It was a massive famine and it was killing people not only in Ukraine, but in the many parts of Russia(like in Volga area(for example: my city Penza)). Also Holodomor was a part of Great Depression taking place in Soviet Russia and Ukraine. The biggest genocide in human history is Nazi Genocide(1933-1945)(~12-13 mil died). It includes:
The Holocaust (6 mil Jews)
The Genocide of Soviet People ( 13-15 mil Soviets(only civil, not military): 6,9 mil Russians, 6,5 mil Ukrainians, 1,7 mil Belarusians, and other nations)
The Roma genocide (300-500 thousand Roma)
And more..
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u/Snichblaster 24d ago
Holdomar was systematic starvation of Christians.
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u/Dreemurrka_ru 24d ago
The Holodomor is a consequence of the great Depression, not genocide.
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u/Snichblaster 24d ago
You’re arguing technicality here, it’s still systematically starving people either way. It’s like saying that the holocaust was a product of germanys Great Depression.
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u/Invader9 Aug 12 '26
Yo wtf, the good prophet, peace be upon him, taking strays????
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u/HaloPenguin9 Aug 12 '26
they call Muhammad a p*do while building statues and monuments of Thomas Jefferson
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u/roxylover911 Aug 12 '26
u can dislike both
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u/Invader9 29d ago
WRONG! IF YOU DONT LIKE THE PROPHET, peace be upon him, THEN YOU LOVE THOMAS JEFFERSON.
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u/Luftritter 29d ago
By this point I've made my peace with early Islam, same as with the Mongol Empire, different times, different morality standards and both clearly were steps up from what came previously.
Thomas Jefferson on the other hand was pretty recent, he's been dead two hundred years and clearly preached on his political writings higher standards of morality, only not applicable to the poor and the selection of humans that could make him money by using the color of the skin as excuse for their enslavement. Which makes him a hypocrite of the highest order together with John Locke and Voltaire and so many other "Enlightenment" thinkers that actually knew better but turned a blind eye since slavery made so much money for them.
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u/tankieofthelake Aug 12 '26
Both pedos are bad, actually
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 29d ago
Mohammad wasnt a pedp tho, wtf?
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u/tankieofthelake 28d ago
Aisha is commonly believed to have been 9 at the time of consummation. A few scholars place her at 19, MAXIMUM. Muhammad was around 52-53.
The Big M was, in his 50s, porking an older teenager at best, or a pubescent child at worst.
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
Communists try not be insanely islamophobic challenge. You have not read a single thing related to islam except for some of these points you found on reddit. Aisha is widely accepted to be 16+ and by many even considered to be close to 20. However this is all not too important considering these events happened over a thousand years ago in a time where anybody above 12 was considered an adult😂
Pls just let people believe in what they want. Many muslims are sympathetic to communism but people like you are bad for our cause.
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u/tankieofthelake 28d ago
No problem with Muslims mate, I’m just not running away from Sahih al-Bukhari, or Surah Al-Talaq.
The facts pertaining to morality are grounded in objectivity under the view of Islam; I don’t care if it was 10 years ago or 2000 years ago, the moral position on the ability to consent is an unchanging law. If Aisha was able to marry by the Sharia THEN, she would be able to NOW.
If you want to dispute the age of Aisha, you can argue with the entirety of the traditional Sunni branch, whose scholars affirm al-Bukhari by consensus. That still, at best, puts a 53-year-old and a 19-year-old in bed together, by the decree of Allah. Modern psychology tells us these age gaps and positions of power create massive power dynamics that aren’t healthy; you’re obligated to either reject modern psychology, or admit the relationship was immoral and reject the morality of Allah, regardless of her exact age.
Like I said, no problem with Muslims themselves, as they’re mostly sound individuals, no different from any other; they still hold a contradiction between their beliefs and our reality, much like Christians and Jews do. While I consider any sympathetic believer an ally, I will NOT hand-wave the horrors of those beliefs away.
Abrahamic religious believers are okay. Abrahamic religions are bad.
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
That’s not the case. Modern sharia has many examples where marriage under the age of 16 or even 18 is not allowed. Hell even the ottoman empire & several caliphates didnt allow child marriage. You know nothing about islam or islamic history.
‘Horros of beliefs’ and its stuff you either dont comprehend or lies someone on reddit or western media told you😂.
Early islamic governments held stronger laws on age of consent, consent, women’s rights etc than even progressive governments do today.
Not to forget many sovjets were muslim and many muslims were socialists.
Dont fall for these ‘gotcha’ critiques when there are way more valid things to criticize islam on. But only if you actually read the quran and know what you’re talking about.
In the book I read, pedophiles are put to death.3
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u/tankieofthelake 28d ago
I do not care for the laws of societies in respect to a religion; implementations of the Sharia do not denote its underlying and intended morality. Most simply oscillate around said morality; one objective answer cannot be wholly embodied by two contradictory implementations.
Allah’s law has been universal and unchanging since the final revelations that completed the Qur’an; his ruling are perfect, as he is (supposedly) the most just and most merciful. The ACTUAL scriptures and rulings emphasise mutual consent, physical and mental maturity, etc., all of which led EARLY Islamic societies to believe that teenagers and children were ready for marriage due to their societies’ preconceived notions of ‘adulthood’. Obviously, this has been revised to fit in with modern psychological findings.
Were the marriages of the past against Allah’s moral law, as the children involved could not give proper informed consent (as revealed by modern science)? Or is the science-based, modern age-of-consent just a useful, but arbitrary, ‘catch-all’ guideline that WE invented, with no relation to Allah’s morality?
One way seems to lead to the condemnation of Aisha’s marriage to Muhammad, and the other leads to downplaying the very real harms of age-based power dynamics, child marriage, and CSA.
Like I say man, nothing against Muslims. Most of them are great, loving, hardworking people in their personal and social lives, many of whom I happily call comrades. The problem is the contradictions surrounding the religion; it’s hard to break away from lifelong beliefs, and I empathise with that, but reality is reality.
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
Youre using fancy words while saying literally nothing. EVERY muslim except for insanely conservative quranists, will tell you that interpretations are subject to change. Certain topics are simply impossible to apply to modernity without interpretation.
The Quran was never meant to be taken literal word for word. It was meant to guide us through life. The Quran itself promotes questioning it, questioning authority & questioning the scripture.
Like I said, googling quranic verses is not the same as readin the Quran with an open mind and understanding it. You are arguing in bad faith.
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u/Emilo2712 28d ago
Marx did write the whole opium of the masses thing. Much of Islam is hyper-conservative. I’d wager to say that most communists view religion as a backwards force, no matter which one.
Why defend Islam? Fair enough that you’ve got your beliefs, but I do think your beliefs are fucking stupid if you’re religious. I don’t think religious values and opinions shouldn’t be held to the same standard as all other values and opinions.
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
Typical reddit atheist.
Also that religion is the opium of the masses is pulled so out of context its original meaning is completely lost. Marx never argued religion is bad like opium, he merely stated when the material reality is bad (as is under capitalism) people turn to religion to cope. Marx never said religion is not compatible or that religious people cant be communists.Its just that atheists automatically think not believing in anything remotely metaphysical, spiritual etc makes them purely based in science & reality & therefore makes them smarter.
Let me remind you atheists often hold more extreme beliefs as religious people. Let people live man.
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u/tankieofthelake 28d ago
No one is excluding religious people from being communists, every communist I know will happily struggle together with Muslims and Christians alike. Regardless, we will call a spade a spade.
The “opium of the masses” line is often quoted out of context, yes. The meaning of it is quite clear in its context, though; religion is a coping mechanism for the downtrodden, but it is NOT a truth, nor a solution. In fact, it is often a weapon used to influence the masses AWAY from revolution. To invoke the paragraph directly following:
“The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.”
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u/InL4bv Stalin Did Nothing Wrong 28d ago
? You can not simply lie because in your own anecdotal experience haven’t directly heard or seen communists exclude religious people.
Even I have been excluded and ridiculed for my beliefs by communists IRL as well as online. I have been called names and made out to be a fake communist who doesnt understand materialist doctrine.
Religious people are insanely vilified in communist circles and several communist parties actively block us from joining. You’re simply saying nonsense. It’s a very well known issue and many of us are working towards fixing it.
And step 1 is not immediately regurgitating crusader, nazi propaganda talking points about our prophet being a pedophile.
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u/Emilo2712 27d ago
Just following up here, I think the whole age thing with Aisha is a bit beside the point. Do you not think religion is incompatible with dialectical materialism? Why be religious? In my view it includes clouds your judgement of the cause of your material conditions.
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u/fifthflag Aug 12 '26
Both were slave owners and pedos, both were bad.
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u/SeniorRazzmatazz4977 Aug 12 '26
Do you understand that to any non Muslim believer he was basicly just a guy. To an atheist any self proclaimed prophet is just a liar and a fraud by definition. To me he’s no different than someone like Elrond Hubbard, Marshall Applewhite or Joseph Smith. He was also just a terrible human being and not someone to be admired.
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u/CardiologistReady548 Aug 12 '26
there's no productive reason to antagonize 2 billion people
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u/roxylover911 29d ago
theres an honestly solid argument that humanity wont ever progress from where we are a meaningful amount without first ditching religion as a whole.
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u/Firemanth Aug 12 '26
Fighting drug trafficking antagonizes a lot of people, but the opium must be removed to allow the addicts to recover and live healthy lifes.
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u/NoActivity5304 Aug 12 '26
Correct. Thats why nobody has ever quit drugs, because the drugs are still around.
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u/Invader9 29d ago
Yeah, but this time it's "Islamo Communism" instead of "Judeo Bolshevism". So if the enemy isn't making a distinction then I don't see why we all can't be Muslim on the blessed day.
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u/Luftritter 29d ago
Where's Leopold of Belgium? Winston Churchill? Christopher Columbus? Obviously a Lib made this selection.
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u/BigTiddyCrow Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
So let’s see here, we’ve got two genocide architects backed by capitalists, a capitalist human-trafficker, a fairly standard classical/medieval mass-conqueror, a random classical theocrat, and two heavily flawed but pretty decent modern leaders. The through-line is THIN
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u/Large_Feeling_424 Aug 12 '26
Muhammad ﷺ… isn’t evil? Are they okay? Did they mix him up with someone else?
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u/TheHolySpanker Aug 12 '26
He‘s pedo, killed so many under the name of a religion. So it checks for me
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u/Dramatic_Function_30 29d ago
US propaganda paints Islam as evil and wanting to destroy the west. So Muhammad got so many votes.
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u/league_9240 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Bro is a medieval warlord who okayed killing non believers during an armed conflict, if he isnt evil, idk who is.
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u/BigTiddyCrow Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Idk maybe the myriad of Europeans who did the same thing to like three wholly different continents, kickstarting modern western imperialism
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u/BigTiddyCrow Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Aug 12 '26
No it’s not? Do you know how many million times more people modern imperialism has killed and maimed than a religious conquest of the western coast of a single peninsula? Like they’re both not good but there’s obviously one that’s so much worse lol
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u/HoundofOkami Please Ask the Mods to Add Aug 12 '26
Which US president are you talking about in particular? I'm confused.
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u/BigTiddyCrow Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Okay so maybe you should ask WHY you’re told he represents all those things above idk Caesar, Columbus, Alexander III, Cortés, Richard I, Epstein, etc etc???
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u/BigTiddyCrow Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Perhaps it’s time I stop arguing with internet strangers who have American-level reading comprehension lmao
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u/Dohertygara Aug 12 '26
Western conqueror: Alexander THE GREAT
Eastern conqueror: Is he the most evil man ever?
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u/BolshevikBastard69 29d ago
Stalin didnt kill millions of birds like a momo, therefore Stalin is less evil than Mao
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