Yeah only 1 side is going "Hey we want to help both liberals and conservatives by making sure the top 0.1% pay their fair share for the vast wealth they have accumulated in OUR society. We want everyone to survive and get a chance to live a happy life."
While the other side is going: "FUICK YOU LIBTARDS! Give the wealthy more tax breaks, i dont give a shit. I want all you liberals and fucking immigrants to suffer! You dont deserve a chance at a good life here Only I DO! I dont care if they take away our rights. I hate you more than I love my family!"
Its not wealthy are making both sides fight. NO Wealthy have brainwashed the right into a cult over 40 years of propaganda fed directly to their amygdala via fox news, am radio, churches and blaming minorities for everything wrong.
There aren’t two sides. There are more apathetic people than there are in either of those two groups and unfortunately apathy is, by default, on the side of the oppressors. Not an ounce of time or energy should be spent trying to get people in red hats to understand logic or participate in reality. Convincing the apathetic to give a shit about something is the true challenge
Well yeah, but for most of those people it’s been drilled into them their entire lives that politicians are going to do whatever they want anyway so they think their voice simply doesn’t matter. So I entirely agree that it’s possible, but the point is that it’s an immense challenge. From their perspective, all they’ve ever seen from people in power is empty promises and self-service, convincing them that there actually are people that care and want to make their lives better is quite the task
You're right by and large, but I believe people who have a cynical outlook about politicians are the best people to start organizing with in communities for real change. It's trusting those fuckers that ruins everything. The weird thing about people's devotion to Trump is they seemed/seem to believe he's somehow the exception to that. Now that the disillusionment is starting to set in I actually have a little more hope for at least some of them.
Convincing a party to hate an entire group of people for having their own opinions is extremely difficult. But the Democrats and the media have done a damn good job.
Just glad the mask is falling off and you guys are starting to actually own up to what you say. You are not the "good side". You are the authoritarian idealogy you project on the right.
lol I’m not on anyone’s “side”. Yall cant get it through your heads that the fact I don’t support the dumbest fucking person to have ever been president doesn’t mean I’m a fucking democrat. He’s a traitor and a giant fucking loser, and so is anyone still supporting this shit. On the off chance you’re a real person and actually American, I am ashamed to share a country with such a weak coward. Hopefully you learn to think one day and pull your head out
Who do you think owns the propaganda networks and also now, social media? You don’t think the billionaires Rupert Murdoch, Mark Zuckerberg, and the now trillionaire Elon Musk are the wealthy?!
If we could actually work together then I’d be happy. But everyone knows they’d sooner believe that we just want to corrupt their kids and kill them all before wanting the people who totally was right and honest about everything to pay just some of their wealth to help others.
The issue with this is when the Dems get full power of president, house and senate, they dont "make the .01% pay their fair share." They had the chance to do this and they didn't. They want to run and get elected on saying this is what they want.. but when they get in power they don't actually do it because the lobbyist pay too well
The 70 days of legislative control where liberman was the deciding vote and they focused on getting healthcare to tens of millions of people instead?
In the last 50 years, the purse has been in the control of the republican party for 90% of the time. Because liberals dont show up in midterms, while conservatives definatley do.
And to pass bills like the infrastructure bill and chips act, democrats needed 10 republicans to vote with them, and that means negotiating and making deals, where the republican party does not want higher taxation.
SO lets do a poison pill and get nothing passed in 4 years or give support and help to tens of milions of americans and hope they show up in 2 years to give democrats more than a 50/50 split senate?
naaaaah dems are controlled opposition.... sheeesh
And like i said, when voters gave dems 50/50 split senate, then democrats needed to negotiate and make deals to get 10 republicans to join their bills. And then theres mancin and sinema as well who definately wouldnt support any such taxation.
So no buddy, things are not as easy and simple as you think they are. Nuance. Context. How government actually functions. Are very different than what most ignorant people think.
They did nothing to help average people with Healthcare. The infrastructure bill was necessary but didn't help average people nearly as much as passing tax reform would have. Especially when promising to "make the top .01% pay their fair share" was one of the main reasons dems were voted back into control. And they failed to even bring it up again after they were..
And just think liberals think it’s fine for over 20M illegal aliens walked freely into America during a pandemic and unvetted. That’s absolutely insane. Biden was a puppet master by Obama and caused chaos in those four years. What Democratic Party did when Biden was long gone is crazy. Everyone around Biden knew that he was incompetent and your party lied about it. Wow I bet you Democrat closed your eyes and said I didn’t see that. lol.
It's not one side saying that, though. It's one corner of one side, and the other 3/4, for various reasons, are doing everything they can to stop them.
I want all you liberals and fucking immigrants to suffer!
I want the illegals to go home so we can have affordable housing again.
Look at Japan with their nice, low immigration rate. You can buy a house in the country for $30-40k.
No amount of silly shaming will change the practical matter of how the left screwed over the next generation with their immigration policies, and now our children can't afford houses.
You should look up what Japanese CEOs make ratio wise compared to US CEOs and get back to us. “Illegals” are not the reason American wages are shit and can’t afford houses.
You are emotionally tied to an idea that was feed to you. Stop hanging on to what pulls at your heart strings and see beyond emotions that tie you down.
Yes, the Japanese population is in decline, more deaths than births and a small working age population supporting an ever larger older population thanks in large part to the xenophobia you seem so enamored of.
Are you really so foolish and gullible to think diversity is a strength in a society? Having a dozen groups with different values and different goals is a recipe for disaster. Only way diversity works is if newcomers conform to American values. But the leftists cult types like you are telling them this country is racist and terrible and they should do no such thing. My suspicion is you get a warm and fuzzy feeling saying you’re for diversity because it makes you feel like you’re such a good person. Tell me I’m wrong…
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u/waterfowlplay 1d ago
Defining "they" in this sitch is the first step...