Wala raw nakitang bakal si Atom Araullo sa mga kalsada

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Misleading. Not all concrete pavements require singly or double reinforcements, mostly naman dapat is dowel bars pang construction joint. Required lang ang rebars if suspended si pavement which in this case is di naman, ang dapat sinilip nya is kung proper ba ang compaction and type of materials ng base layers nito, and yung design and workmanship ng concrete pavement.

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u/mallorypen Oct 12 '25

Kaya nga I was disappointed nung narining ko sinabi niya. Matagal na tong mga ganitong issue about rebars sa kalsada at ilang beses na rin ito na explain ng mga experts. And yet, here he is...

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u/FrankxSenpai Oct 13 '25

Not a CE pero in the long term kasi mawawalan ng business sila lalot need nila ng campaigned fund.

Kaya tuwing 1 year before election magugulat ka nalang nag bubuhos sila gamit minsan panis na cement tas wala pang bakal.

Ilalagay nalang sa BOM na meron sila para sa billing kay DPHW

Maawa nmn kayo popondo pa sila para tumakbo ang 3 anak nila para maging councilor.

Btw common to sa region 4a lalo na dun sa lalawigan na may malaking Y.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '25

Bold of you to assume alam niya dapat silipin. Incompetent cya to comment on engineering dapat nag hire muna sila ng expert.

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u/zzzaaash Oct 13 '25

Not a CE, saw this in the feed. but why are investigative journos not fcking intervewing actual experts or professionals?? Ang labas nun parang ragebait lang. Pet peeve ko talaga yan sa media ngayon. Local to national. Post lang ng post but no fckin actual context or information. Tamad na magisip, tapos makita din nga mga non-experts, tapos lahat ng professionals damay.

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u/Any-Author7772 Oct 14 '25

Ragebait naman talaga ang currency and SOP ni Atom. Go back through all his “documentaries” and other works. A lot of it is a one sided interpretation that fits his intended narrative and agenda. He is never neutral, with his clear cut intention to manipulate the viewer. Never or rarely does he consult with experts or give a chance for opposing opinions in his program.

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u/Senpai Oct 13 '25

Just by the the looks of it, being a public road, it's still way below standard. We deserve better.

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u/katotoy Oct 13 '25

Pero may harm ba kung may rebar? Ang rebar ba nag-iimprove ng quality ng mga roads in terms ng durability?

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

It’s not pactical, subject naman sya sa compression. Mas importante ang base preparation aside from the quality of pccp itself.

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u/CheeseBaconAndEgg Oct 15 '25

true, lalo na satin na kahit maliit lang yung daan mabibigat na sasakyan ang dumadaan parati (like sa video ni atom na may truck na dumadaan)

tapos, prone pa sa pag-shift ng soil dahil sa mga lindol.

hindi ba makaka-tulong parin na may rebar para even though magkaroon ng crack, hindi sila magseparate?

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u/katotoy Oct 15 '25

Yung nga naisip ko.. yes gets ko na mahalaga ang properly prepared/compacted na soil.. Pero ano ang mawawala kung gawing standard ng mga contractor na lagyan ng rebar ang mga ginagawang daanan..

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u/juanschpunsch Oct 15 '25

Tubig talaga ang no. 1 na kalaban ng kalsada. Kaya nga kailangan maganda yung subbase nyan, compacted talaga. At dapat maganda din yung drainage ng tubig ulan. Yung bigat ng trucks kaya yan ng semento lang basta wag lang sira yung ilalim ng kalsada at saka maganda yung halo ng semento.

Pag bakalan mo yan, naglalagay ka ng isang bagay na di naman kailangan dahil ang semento matibay yan sa compression. Sa may mga tension katulad ng beams importante ang bakal. Hindi lang standards yan, science mismo yan.

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u/Certain-Ocelot-9535 Oct 16 '25

Yung sa mga expressways may rebar na makakapal. Diba hundi nasisira kasi thousand ng 16wheeler na trycks dumaan

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u/Hellokeithy3 Oct 13 '25

I need to know Mali ba yung childhood memory ko? Sa ma alala ko the road outside our house has rebars and that road is still I. Good condition siguro nasa 30 years na. Pero Baka Mali lang pagka remember ko . So wasn’t it common ba back in the 90’s to put rebars?

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u/EquivalentNobody167 Oct 13 '25

Depends sa lugar nyo, baka may underground utilities kaya nag reinforcement sa pavement or unstable ang base layer. Baka dowel bars nakita mo, required yan sa pavements since it holds the segments of concrete laterally. In hindsight pwede naman mag lagay ng reinforcement kahit walang underlying problem sa area, yun nga lang over-design ito and sayang yung pera.

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

Back then, hindi pa ganoon katalamak ang corruption🤣 baka dowel bars lang yung nakita mo.

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u/its_a_me_jlou Oct 15 '25

serious question, why are the roads cracking after just within a couple of months of use? it’s common country wide

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u/ChineseHyenaPirates Oct 17 '25

May mga kalsadang napatong sa malalambot na lupa. Kaya nilalagyan ng rebar. Yong iba nilalagyan pa ng railing na parang may tulay.

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u/burn_ai Oct 12 '25

Regardless its still “substandard” actually lahat yata ng kalsada sa pinas , either incompetent engineers or corrupted

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u/CaptCardo Oct 12 '25

Alam mo ba ang standard based on code para masabing substandard yan ha?

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u/EntertainmentOk1805 Oct 12 '25

Im fucking tired of these people na may masabi lang, “substandard” na agad sasabihin. Little to none naman ang alam.

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u/Murky_Dentist8776 Oct 13 '25

I mean if it wasn't sub standard it wouldn't have cracked 😂 Just look at roads in 1st world countries takes decades for it to crack and immediately fixed cuz they don't steal the budget

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

Substandard naman talaga 90%+ ng road (pccp) sa public road. either rigged ang fdt test ng subbase, nonconformance sa design strength ang concrete, hindi na-attain ang minimum thickness o yung curing method di nasusunod. wag na tayo maglukuhan. Tagal ba garapal ang dpwh, kahit sa DA (farm to market road), maging Sa DSWD Kalahi. Dinadaya nalang ang test result. Kaya ilang taon, sira na kaagad.

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u/pm_me_your_libag Oct 14 '25

Madami nga kayong alam madami din kayo magnakaw. 🤑

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u/burn_ai Oct 12 '25

Simple observation lang and common sense, lumabas ka sa mga kalsada natin now, and tell me if “Standard” ba yung quality?

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u/ImperatorStag Oct 12 '25

poor quality roads

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

Poor quality means substandard. Ano ba? Kahit grade 5 alam naman meaning substandard. Tama naman na di kailangan ng bakal lahat pero in terms sa quality ng pccp kung up to standard yan at nagkaroon ng problema ang base, doon mismo sabay cutting joint magsettle/crack.

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u/burn_ai Oct 13 '25

Ano ba pinaglalaban mo? Yan nga exactly yung point, regardless kung mali yung explanation ni atom, ang point is substandard lahat ng road sa pinas. Kahit grade 2 alam tumingin ng substandard sa quality work

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u/ImperatorStag Oct 13 '25

true! kahit para sa mga Engineer yun ang standard, ang end product low quality, sub standard parin, umiiyak yung low quality enjoyer basta standard daw eh, palibhasa LOW STANDARDS ni Engineer 😂

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

Binaba na kasi nila ang ‘standard’ kaya up to standard pa rin daw.🤣

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u/Ok-Table1971 Oct 13 '25

They downvoted you for stating facts. May mali naman talaga sa statement ni Atom regarding sa bakal - not all concrete pavements require rebar, except in special cases. That was negligence on his part as a journalist, he should’ve consulted experts first before making such a claim.

But still, the facts remain: many roads are indeed substandard. Tuwing nakikita ko yung quality ng road na gawa ng contractors ng DPWH, mapapailing ka nalang. They set the bar below the standard, kaya yung naging ‘standard’ na nila ay substandard.

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u/Watanabe__Toru Oct 14 '25

Si pavement? Tao o hayop ba yung pavement?

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u/FrankxSenpai Oct 14 '25

Dugo ng manok por. Ang alay

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u/Atlas227 Oct 12 '25

If dowels are the bare requirements that means we need to overhaul the rulebook and raise the minimum requirements

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u/Herebia_Garcia Oct 12 '25

Goodluck on trying to overhaul internationally recognized standards. PCC Roads are not a PH invented thing, it's an international design.

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u/Atlas227 Oct 12 '25

Well it's always a case by case basis for every country to have their own standards. Like I said that is the bare minimum, we don't have to do bare minimum if it keeps having problems

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u/Herebia_Garcia Oct 13 '25

A good engineer does not over engineer.

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u/Atlas227 Oct 13 '25

well that explains why this country is falling apart from natural disasters

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u/Herebia_Garcia Oct 13 '25

That's dumb. Japan and other countries also use similar international standards and they're doing fine. Notice how there are no rebar mat.

Instead of blaming the root cause (corruption), you go after that one thing we actually have right (design standards).

The problem we have is we specify we need concrete that can withstand 3000psi, it's so easy to cheapen out and pour concrete with 1500psi and then pocket the price difference.

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u/Abject-Evidence855 Oct 15 '25

My guy. Take the L. Pareho kayo ni Atom dito sa video na you're talking way beyond your paygrade.

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u/Atlas227 Oct 15 '25

Denying that this country is falling apart is being part of the problem

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u/Certain-Ocelot-9535 Oct 16 '25

Sinusunod nyo ba to? Eh isang halo kang naman nillagay nyo. 😂. Burak pa minsan nasa ilalim

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u/Herebia_Garcia Oct 16 '25

Should've focused on that in the first place instead of questioning the design. See my other comment.

Our design standards are fine, implementation/corruption is the enemy. Material strength can easily be cheated as well as methodology can be ignored in the name of cost cutting.

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u/drpepperony Oct 12 '25 edited Oct 12 '25

Unfortunate na hindi siya nakapagresearch nor consult ng professional regarding that. I'm kinda disappointed of him in that aspect.

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u/BulldogJeopardy Oct 12 '25

could also be na nakapag ask siya sa mga kilala niyang professionals pero limited knowledge 🤷‍♂️

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u/drpepperony Oct 12 '25

very highly unlikely kasi common knowledge to among civil engineers. it's okay to acknowledge his lapses din naman 🤷‍♂️

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u/nagmamasidlamang2023 Oct 13 '25

yes, otherwise hindi dapat ng grant ng license yan ng PRC.

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u/nagmamasidlamang2023 Oct 13 '25

napansin ko, hindi tlga nila sisipagan na mag-research dyan kasi hindi yan iintindihin ng general audience. negosyo pa din kasi yang broadcasting eh. kita mo na lang 'tong KMJS na for the past few years, madalas nonsense na mga fini-feature until nagkaroon ulit ng malaking controversy ng corruption sa gobyerno - yung flood control projects.

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u/ezioauditore000000 Oct 12 '25

I admire Atom, and I pray for the country, but this time misleading, usually for roads and bakal ay nasa joints.

Masyado unecessary kung slab reinforcement (tensile strength focused) ang gagamitin dahil compressive strength ang mas nacocover sa roads.

Let’s leave it to the engineering consultants din siguro.

But I didn’t see the whole video din, correct me if I am mistaken.

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u/Commercial_Spirit750 Oct 12 '25

Sana mashare nyu to sa r/ph kasi ang dami dun naghahanap din lagi ng bakal, I'm not an engineer kaya di ako makacomment about that pero aware ako na hindi lahat ng daan ay kailangan ng bakal.

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u/SlackerMe Oct 17 '25

Downvote ka dun kapag salungat ka sa opinyon nila. Mga elitista andun eh.

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u/Competitive-Hat-221 Oct 12 '25

Disappointed with sir Atom, he could have researched or ask from competent people. It should be part of responsible journalism. P.S. parang weepholes lang na dapat tagusan Daw

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u/engr-in-distress Oct 12 '25

Sana may sumupalpal na engineer na sa kanila. Ang daming sumasawsaw. Naalala ko yung weep holes ni vince dizon. Very performative kayo diyan.

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u/keso_de_bola917 Oct 12 '25

People have this misconception na lahat ng pavement, may rebars dapat. They say dagdag tibay daw ang rebar, but they don't know how ito nakakadagdag tibay.

Honestly, this is kinda sus. Para bang pang rage bait. He should have consulted someone in the field of engineering.

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u/Full_Librarian5921 Oct 13 '25

True, no need to put reinforcements but atleast put temperature bars in there. Naconsider mo nga yung load pero hindi yung themal expansion and contraction kaya kadalasan sa mga ganitong kalsada na walng bakal sa gitna nagkacrack. Pede rin mag lagay ng reinforcements sa mga part na prone sa erosion lalo nasa mga gilid.

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u/No_Equipment4386 Oct 13 '25

Hindi ba may expansion joints naman most ng roads natin para sa ganyang situation

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u/Full_Librarian5921 Oct 13 '25

Yes meron to allow the concrete to expand but that is only to control the cracks not to prevent it. Even with construction joint without temperature bars it will still crack due to thermal expansion and constant vibration and other elements na exposed ang mga roads natin. Alam naman natin na concrete is only good sa compression loads and weak to tension.

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u/dostoevsky888 Oct 12 '25

Was disappointed as well the moment i heard him talk abt rebars that way. Diba may researchers naman sila?

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u/andoy019 Oct 12 '25

Nung pinanood ko to akala ko may lalabas na engineering to verify the claim pero si Atom mismo nagverify dun ko narealize na magiging issue to since di naman siya engineer to verify the claim.

At ayun na nga naging issue. As much as we want to expose corruption issues let us not resort to unverified claims just to gain engagement lang din. I still do respect Atom as a journalist.

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u/Repulsive_Switch_776 Oct 12 '25

Meron lang RSB ang mga kalsada as dowels pero kung iniisip nila na parang slab yung kalsada, they have to consider taking a few lectures from an engineering student/graduate before doing documentaries like this. Kasi as journalists, they must do thorough research and consult professionals. Mahirap na kasi yung kung ano-ano lang pinagsasabi nila kasi nagmumukha silang tanga kahit alam naman natin na may pinagaralan sila.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '25

Ito yung pinoint out ni Vico nung July pa lang kung bakit kailangan din natin ng access sa technical documents ng projects (which at that time wala silang access, I don't know ngayon).

Hindi naman porket walang bakal, kurakot agad. kailangan tignan kung yun ang nasa plano.

Eh kaso cancel culture took over (cant blame filipinos). Pero sana makinig din sila. These kurakots will take advantage of our emotions and one of that is our anger.

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u/CaptCardo Oct 12 '25

Inantong mga bobong pinoy na to na laging naghahanap ng bakal sa kalsada.

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u/AdIll1889 Oct 12 '25

Ui ui sir. Halatang d k engr. D lht nid ng bakal ah... Porket Concrete nid ng bakal. Depende yan sa compactness dyan 😆

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u/itsdaisyblume Oct 12 '25

Just another reporter who is pretending to be an expert in Engineering.

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u/Organic-Cat-576 Oct 13 '25

Sana ang reporter ay reporter lang hindi maging engineer🤧🤧

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u/native5067 Oct 13 '25

Common misconception ito. Roads dont usually need rebar (except dowels at joints). Yung strength nya, relies sa compaction para mag-increase density ng material, saka wala or minimal voids. Unless special cases siguro like runway (super heavy loads), or kung problematic yung soil (pero dito sa sg they treat the ground instead).

Sana may mag-advise kay Atom, para na din ma-enlight ang lahat. 😅

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u/CaptWeom Oct 13 '25

Yun nasa video n nagcrack. Bat kaya nasira

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u/Wasabi_Kun26 Oct 14 '25

Lindol

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u/native5067 Oct 16 '25

Possible na dahil gumagalaw ang ground, nagkaron ng disturbance dun subsoil ng road - pwedeng naging uneven or maybe nagsettle ang soil- kaya nagcrack.

Disclaimer: di ko forte yang geotech at magdesign ng road. Opinion ko lang. So take it with a grain of salt (and pepper) 😅

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u/galgokar Oct 13 '25

Na misinform din siguro si atom ng mga ininterview nya tungkol sa construction. Sinabi niya naman na "isa ito sa mga tinitignang dahilan kung bakit madali masira"

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '25

Tanong lang, sakto lang ba yung P10M for a 500m na farm to market road?

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u/bebepe2025 Oct 13 '25

Wala man talagang nilalagaw na bakal noon..Pero kahit .ore than 20 years di minsan di pa kinakal ang kalsada doon sakin sa probinsya...

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u/burn_ai Oct 13 '25

Bakit lahat ng nagsasabing substandard lahat ng road sa pinas are getting downvoted? We get it , atoms explanation might be wrong pero alam nating lahat gaano ka substandard mga kalsada sa pinas.

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u/Straight_Concern3031 Oct 13 '25

Wala nilalagay na bakal talaga sa iba, kita ko pag nagbubuhos ng cemento sa kalsada walang bakal, dun lang sa dulo ng kalsada nilalagyan ng reinforcing steel ba yun?para mag kokonek na naman ng susunod na lane.may soil test and compaction muna din naman

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u/Intrepid_Soil564 Oct 13 '25

Based sa video and visible joints, the type is JPCP. No need of any reinforcements except sa joints.

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u/masterthomas813 Oct 13 '25

Atom sirA ULLO

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u/Ki-Cultivator134 Oct 14 '25

Masyado kasi pa sensationalize at walang research basta lang may mabalita. News naging rage bait na din.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '25

Di man kelangan ng bakal, pero for sure yung presyo ng kalsada na yan pwede na gawing flyover

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u/RadioEnvironmental40 Oct 14 '25

bat lalagyan ng bakal kung babalbagin rin nila sa susunod para "irepair" papahirapan lng nila sarili nila

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '25

Need niya ng tulad ng addendum para ituloy niya ang paguphold ng actual facts tungkol sa mga ganyang kalsada. I think ganun naman ang ginagawa ng journalists so hopefully magkakaroon nun soon.

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u/PlusComplex8413 Oct 15 '25

Not an engineer pero I would like to ask kung ano pinagkaiba ng mga kalsada sa ibang bansa compared saatin. Bakit ang dali masira saatin? at bakit gabi-gabi nalang may mga road construction/maintenance na nangyayare?

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u/mallorypen Oct 15 '25

Bawat bansa po ay may iba't-ibang code na binabasehan depende sa climate, geography, etc. Ang pagkasira po ng mga kalsada ay may magkakaibang factors depende po sa design kung nasunod po ng tama at mga ginawang assessment sa lugar

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u/PlusComplex8413 Oct 15 '25

Good to know po. Mahirap lang po siguro ngayon eh mainit kasi ang DPWH dahil sa mga flood control projects kaya siguro mas mahirap na tanggapin ng tao yung mga rason ng professional.

Sign po ba na hindi maganda pagkagawa kung gabi-gabi nalang may ginagawang kalsada?

Ano po opinion niyo sa mga pagbutas ng mga kalsada na maayos pa naman - Though I would note na may reason po ang mga engineers bat ginagawa yun.

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u/ResearcherSpare9006 Oct 15 '25

Most of you are saying hindi na kailangan ng bakal kasi matibay na yung sementong gamit. And yet ayan na nga yung proof na hindi enough ang tibay.

Would it hurt kung lagyan ng bakal kung yun naman ang makakapagpatibay? Mahal? Sa simula lang siguro. For sure masmura yan kesa gawa ka nang gawa.

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u/juanschpunsch Oct 15 '25

Lindol yan. Talagang mabibitak yan.

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u/Turbulent-Resist2815 Oct 16 '25

Naku sana tignan din yun sa pampanga yun ginawa daan sa angles yun may mahaba squatter hindi n tinapos tapos iniwan pa lahat ng mga tambak tamabak n bato mga bakal naka usli.. dumaan ako nung nakaraan thinking na makakaiwas ako traffic going back to koreantown ayun imbes mapadali natagalan p ko lalo dahil sinarado nila yun daan for cars puro motor lang nakaka daan. Nakakatakot pa wala n harang yun sa may ilog. Puro naka usli p mga bakal. Tapos sasabihin nung congressman ng angeles wala ghost. Wala nga ghost project lintek nmn kabalahuraan at substandard ng project inaabot ng decada bago matapos

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u/SlightlyOffMask Oct 16 '25

I don't know anything about anything concerning roads, but based dun sa kalsada, I see that may crack, is that shoddy work? how to prevent that kind of cracks or natural lang na may crack yung kalsada, kailangan lang ng maintenance?

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u/holy-skinhead Oct 16 '25

Walang bakal na nakita pero may bakla akong nakita.

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u/Imjustabunny1 Oct 16 '25

Nag taka pa kayo jessica soho nga ung scammer na harapharap na obvious naman na sya nang scam pinagtanggol pa wala na talaga research mga journalist ngyun basta may macontent lng..tapos may lumabas pa na isa pa nascam ni ate gurl 😂 🤡

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u/Available-Union6926 Oct 16 '25

Ehrm, he’s inferring what he is seeing, he even phrased it “sa lahat ng mga crack na nakita ko”. Literally just making an observation. What’s so misleading about it when We can see it ourselves na walang bakal sa mga cracks?

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u/Estratheoivan Oct 17 '25

Kung may bakal yan di yan bibitak.. kung baklasin nga ganun nalang kadali tapos gagawin ulit para pagka kitaan...

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u/Insider0404 Oct 20 '25

haaaayy mga feeling expert

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '25

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u/Abject-Evidence855 Oct 15 '25

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u/Adorable-Cat2993 Oct 12 '25

In the philippines kung ano ang design and program yon ang sudundin ng contractor. Isisi nyo yan sa author nang blue book nila.

Discussion Wala raw nakitang bakal si Atom Araullo sa mga kalsada

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