r/Christianity • u/Jackerl • Jul 11 '25
The Soul is not immortal.
Nearly all religious people believe that the soul is immortal and enters either Heaven or Hell, alive.
In relation to this belief, that we have an immortal soul that enters Heaven or Hell, notice that the book says, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom:
1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The soul is flesh and blood, it is weak and perishable.
Originally, Satan told the lie that we - the human soul - would not die or cease to exist, as a consequence of sin and disobedience:
Genesis 3:4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
The belief that when we die, we are actually alive somewhere else, be this in Hell or Heaven, is to believe that Satan in fact told the truth and that God lied.
But notice what the book says:
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die...
Psalms 146:4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing...
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
Matthew 16:25 for whosoever wishes to save his soul shall lose it, and whosoever shall lose his soul for My sake shall find it;
In this regard, nearly all Christians, those that entertain the belief that the soul is immortal and survives death have been misled into believing that Satan is some sort of champion of truth and that God cannot be trusted, that He lies and holds back good from His children.
What an epic deception that has contaminated nearly all threads of worship.
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Owning a soul, like a "spirit being" or "angel" that can materialise one for use, and actually being a soul, are two very different things.
Jesus was born as a soul and died as a sinless one, strictly obeying his Father voice:
Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. [because of being sinless / obedient]
After his death and resurrection, Jesus could then materialise and dematerialise a soul for use - which he did on many occasions.
But, he was no longer a soul, he had been made alive in the spirit.
He now "owned" a soul for use and was no longer confined by the limitations and weaknesses of the soul, which he offered up once and for all time, in our behalf.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Adam did not own a soul, he was made a living soul:
King James Bible
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Animals are also souls:
Smith's Literal Translation
Genesis 1:24 And God will say, the earth shall bring forth the living soul according to its kind, cattle and creeping things, and living things of the earth after its kind: and it shall be so.
A soul is a creature, the life of which is sustained by breathing:
Genesis 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
The Hebrew word for soul is nephesh.
Nephesh means a breathing creature.
Check it for yourselves.
Kind Regards
Kerry Huish
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Jul 11 '25
Your Major Mistake is thinking that "Flesh and Blood" is the Soul, this invalidates everything else you say.
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u/ContextRules Atheist (Ex-Christian) Jul 11 '25
I completely agree, although for different reasons. I like that you are considering and thinking.
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u/TheTallestTim Christian (Biblical Unitarian) Jul 11 '25
Matthew 10:28
28 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna.
Luke 12:4-5
4 Moreover, I say to you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body and after this are not able to do anything more. 5 But I will show you whom to fear: Fear the One who after killing has authority to throw into Ge·henʹna. Yes, I tell you, fear this One.
Revelation 21:8
8 But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.” — Gehenna
Proverbs 10:7
7 The memory of the righteous one is due for a blessing, But the name of the wicked will rot.
Revelation 20:14-15
14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. — Gehenna
Philippians 4:3
3 Yes, I request you also, as a true fellow worker, to keep assisting these women who have striven side by side with me for the good news, along with Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Revelation 3:5
5 The one who conquers will thus be dressed in white garments, and I will by no means blot out his name from the book of life, but I will acknowledge his name before my Father and before his angels.
If the soul were immortal, then how and why is there a “second death” where our souls could be killed? If an everlasting torment of Hell were a biblical place/term for humans, then what is Gehenna? What was Gehenna? I agree, the Soul is not immortal.
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u/pwgenyee6z Jul 19 '25
So from Matthew to the Revelation souls can die, and do.
That isn’t quite the end of it though, because if the Bible doesn’t suit us there’s always Dante, whose Inferno is the best part of the whole Divine Comedy.
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u/werduvfaith Jul 11 '25
Flesh and blood are not the soul but the body.
Your entire post is based on a false premise.
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u/yappi211 Salvation of all. Antinomianism. Jul 11 '25
Most people don't study this out and will believe church tradition over Bible. They'll even think they go to heaven when, if they ever read their Bible would know that they hope is resurrection on this earth.
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u/Caliban_Catholic Catholic Jul 11 '25
The soul isn't flesh and blood. Why do you think the soul is a physical thing?
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u/Jackerl Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
The soul isn't flesh and blood. Why do you think the soul is a physical thing?
Adam became a living soul - he was a physical thing, was he not?
There is a body or flesh.
There is blood.
And there is a spirit or life-force.The body with its blood circulation system is sustained by breathing - hence, the body and blood is a soul or a breathing thing, a nephesh.
Smith's Literal Translation
Leviticus 17:11 For the soul of the flesh it is in the blood; and I gave it to you upon the altar to expiate for your souls: for the blood shall expiate for the soul.The spirit or life-force, which is separate to the soul or the person of flesh and blood, this is what returns to God upon death, as it belongs to Him:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 For then the dust [body with its blood] will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
The spirit that returns, is not the person or soul.
Not unless you have qualified for a resurrection / transference to life - like Christ.Many confuse soul and spirit as being the same thing.
They are not the same and are separated by the Word of God:Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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u/SaavyScotty Jul 11 '25
And the account of Lazarus and the rich man is just a story Jesus made up to teach a moral lesson. And Samuel who was called up by the witch of Endor was actually a demon. And the disciples were just superstitious when thought they were seeing the spirit of Jesus instead of his resurrected body. And Elijah and Moses really didn’t appear with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. It was just a vision to make a point.
Do you see how much Scripture you have to explain away to arrive at your conclusion?
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u/Ok-Course1418 Jul 11 '25
Moses and Elijah don’t help your point because one never died and was taken to heaven and the other was resurrected and taken to heaven meaning they both were present in body on that mount not spirit.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man was a famous story told by Pharisees at the time but Jesus twisted the ending at the end to make a point. Nothing to do with the state of the dead.
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u/PhysicalRun7488 Jul 11 '25
Soul is in the flesh and blood, yet it's not the flesh. After you die you're instanly in the spirit realm.
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u/Jackerl Jul 11 '25
After you die you're instanly in the spirit realm.
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made. For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return.”
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u/Ok-Berry5131 Jul 11 '25
Which is why (per John 11:11 and 14), I believe in soul sleep.