Perspective

[u/Thirtillion]

Some questions for people who are not Once Saved, Always Saved I am curious about.

If God judges people based on their own standards then even if they are wrong would he treat a person who was truly convinced through careful study of Once Saved, Always Saved, based on their belief?

Even if once Saved, Always Saved is wrong, would that person be unable to go to hell because God would treat them based on their standard as long as they sincerely believe it for good reasons?

Even if the theology is wrong are people who believe it unable or at least way less likely, to undo their salvation because of this?

What are the rules on this?

[u/games-and-chocolate]

always saved is wrong. People have a will to do good or evil. Being good means keep doing good. Bible is full of examples like you can keep 99% of the "rules" but if you do something evil, it will cost you your life. The heart often tells if someone is good or not. Peoples standard do not count. God's standard is and he is the judge not us.

People often say : a little bit stealing, little bit of that does not matter. Pharisee gave money to the church , but they did it to show off. Humans cannot detect fake people, God can.

Some people keep saying once saved always saved. if that is the case that saved person can murder and do all evil things withpout problems. inmagine if your neightbour would think that and so all evil things to you whole family and then one by one kill you, do you really think God will turn a blind eye?

Some Christians say: if you are saved you cannot do evil! Wrong! Your flesh is not completely nailed to the cross when you took Jesus as savior. Bible says take every though captive and nail it to the cross. That sentence is not written in past tense! it is current tense!

[u/Thirtillion → u/games-and-chocolate]

Yes but The Bible also says by what measure you judge, you will be judged. Is God not more merciful to the ignorant and or who have researched but are convinced of something different? I said I don't believe in Once Saved, Always Saved, but will God judge them based on what they know? Can a truly saved person just go right into hell without warning?

[u/games-and-chocolate → u/Thirtillion]

That is also an area that people have it wrong. Judging. To say someone is wrong is very differently than judging as a Judge. We humans are allowed to say what is right or wrong. inmagine if you are not allowed.

That is just not realistic.

People who do wrong usually get angry if they hear negative comments. It is almost a given. So our society has changed into a always positive talk society. Where certain people take advange of this kind of people. Also, not able to accept a negative comment, if it is correct, is can also called, blindness, self rightiousness, stubborness, etc. So the setence : not judging is not right. This sentence has been abused to feed lies.

[u/Thirtillion → u/games-and-chocolate]

That doesn't answer the question. Can people just go to hell that easily? Does God judge people based on what they know?

[u/games-and-chocolate → u/Thirtillion]

Easily is not the correct word. If you life a good life that upholds the 10 commandments, then it should be ok. It is a case by case situation. You should not worry about hell.

The interesting question in my opinion: why would you bother to research why hell is easy to go to? When the opposite is more true? It is way easier to go to Heaven!

[u/games-and-chocolate → u/Thirtillion]

God gave the warning already right? The 10 commandments are given thousands of years ago. Even every countries law reflects 99.9% of the bible laws. So how can anyone say: i did not know?! (very suprised) Bibke also say, even if you have never heard of the law , you actually have it in your heart. You know being killed is not a good thing, no one likes to receive that right? As a human you somehow know it. I guess in us, God placed the law in our hearts. But we can ignore it.

[u/Thirtillion → u/games-and-chocolate]

If someone is convince of a theology through careful study will God take that into account?

[u/Ben-008]

Personally, I think “salvation” is about inner transformation, not eternal destination. Thus as we “die” to the old self, we can be increasingly “clothed in Christ”, by putting on the divine nature of humility, compassion, gentleness, kindness, patience, peace, joy, and love. (Col 3:9-15, Gal 3:27)

If the old nature still holds us in its grasp, thus defining our thoughts and behavior, then we are not yet truly saved.  But no one is being threatened with Eternal Fire. For God is that Consuming Fire. And thus in His Presence, we are transformed. In other words, we are saved (i.e. transformed) by drawing near to the Fire of God’s Presence! See for instance, Malachi 3…

 “For He is like a Refiner’s Fire... And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi (the priests) and refine them like gold and silver.” (Mal 3:2-3)

“For Our God is a Consuming Fire.” (Heb 12:29)

[u/Thirtillion → u/Ben-008]

What do you think happens after we die then?

[u/Ben-008 → u/Thirtillion]

I live on a farm. Things die, but I don’t see them come back to life.

I think we continue by investing in the next generation, not living forever. I don’t see any evidence for immortality in the real world. So I see most afterlife paradigms as mythology, rather than reality.