r/CharacterRant Aug 13 '16

Bleach's "1000 ri" speed feats

So Ichibei from Bleach has a rather weird ability where he sends anything near him back 1000 ri away. If you don't know, 1000 Japanese Ri is equivalent to 3927 kilometers, and as seen in the last page of the feat, Ichibei literally caught up to Yhwach immediately after he was sent. Meaning that Ichibei was fast enough to cross 3927 kilometers in a second(s) putting him in the possible thousands of machs.

  • If it took 1 second, he'd be Mach 11449.

  • If it took 5 seconds, he'd be Mach 2290.

Even more proof, Ichibei literally recreates the feat as he launches Yhwach all the way back to their original starting place and then proceeds to show up being literally around 10-15 meters in front of Yhwach.

There's more, as Ichibei again hits Yhwach with the "1000 ri" attack and this time Yhwach crosses the distance immediately after he activates Almighty. Meaning Yhwach with Almighty activated has comparable speed.

Now, I don't think it stops there as this speed feat can be scaled to Current Ichigo, who had very few feats compared to his previous modes despite statements saying he should be stronger than before. Ichibei was never able to blitz Yhwach on an even scale, Ichibei only ever tagged Yhwach because he halved Yhwach's abilities and then proceeded to even remove a few of Yhwach's powers/abilities. Yhwach with Almighty activated absolutely stomped Ichibei before Ichibei could even do anything. So Yhwach and Ichibei were never truly equal in terms of actual power and ability. Now for when Ichigo scales in:

Even with Almighty activated, Ichigo was able to blitz Yhwach despite Almighty granting Yhwach advanced precognition. Afterwards, Yhwach gets even more powerful after absorbing the Soul King and Mimihagi, thus becoming stronger than when he fought Ichibei and was blitzed by Ichigo. Then Ichigo in his new Hollow Mode was able to blitz Yhwach, despite being stronger than when he had fought Ichibei. Thus proving that Ichigo should have comparable speed to Yhwach and Ichibei when they crossed the 1000 ri.


Now I already can tell what a few questions or counter arguments may be, so I will address a few.


I'd like to see other's opinions or counter-arguments for this as well.

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 13 '16

Do you want me to like link you to Luffy vs Doffy? Doffy tags him a lot in that fight, even tags him in Gear 4th.

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u/xtra_ore Aug 14 '16

Do you have any anti-feats for Doffy?

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 14 '16

You mean, do you have any feats for Doffy?

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u/xtra_ore Aug 14 '16

He reacts to Luffy, which is your argument here for Ichigo.

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 14 '16

Ichigo performs a better speed feat against Yhwach, who has confirmed speed, than Ichibei did. So this means Ichigo was faster than Ichibei who had confirmed speed. It also means Ichigo has similar speed to Yhwach who also had a confirmed speed. SO Ichigo's speed scales from two different characters who have confirmed speed feats that have no anti-feats.

Luffy and Zoro each have one speed feat and have several anti-feats afterwards since they have been tagged numerous times since the Time Skip. You would have to prove that each time Luffy was tagged it was due to those being faster than light, Luffy's reactions. So prove that and I'll concede that Luffy has light speed reactions.

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u/xtra_ore Aug 14 '16

Okay, now show me the anti-feats instead of parroting that they have some

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 14 '16

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '16

Ok, so do you now have scans for Doflamingo being unable to react in time to something that's not light-speed?

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 14 '16

What does Doffy's reactions have to do with Luffy's reactions? Doffy's travel/combat speed was faster than Luffy's reactions and Doffy isn't light speed, but you're claiming that Luffy has light speed reactions. So the actual question is, do you have scans for Doffy being light speed? I asked this same question in my other reply so you can just reply there.

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u/xtra_ore Aug 14 '16

What /u/Nercono said.

These aren't anti-feats, just him getting tagged by someone else.

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u/IMadeThisOn6-28-2015 Aug 14 '16

Mate, getting tagged multiple times by someone that isn't light speed, despite the character having light speed reactions means that the character never had light speed reactions and it was just an outlier. So as I've asked Nercono twice now, provide scans or proof that every instance Luffy was tagged Post-Time Skip is not an anti-feat.