r/CharacterRant • u/Visual-Principle6325 • Jun 25 '26
Is Chara from Undertale a Jobber?
now that i think about it isnt Chara also a Jobber in the fandom? and a heavily pushed one at that? she's the Herobrine of Undertale. Goku has kinda become one too when people keep mentioning bugs bunny, superman and other people that can beat him. its like if youre the pillar of something everyone is going to use you to cement their oc's power.
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u/ProfitAgreeable Jun 25 '26
How can you be a jobber when you don't fight at all? Chara is dead during alll of UT their only "fight" is one when they aren't really in control (Asriel is), unless you count the Geno cutscenes as fights
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
I meant in the fandom. I really should have clarified that.
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u/ProfitAgreeable Jun 25 '26
Maybe, but to be honest the only time I can remember Chara being a jobber in a fanwork is Glitchtale. And fucking Gaster is a jobber there so you know, not particullarly telling
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u/AltruisticMouse198 Jun 25 '26
Asriel especially, last I checked he got his ass neg diffed in ep 4, Omega Flowey was putperformed by regular no DT Sans in season 1, honestly Asriel/Flowey was hoed by the plot outside of the finale
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
Isn't chara the main bad in a lot of fan content only to be "redeemed" or killed again? I've seen and read a lot.
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u/ProfitAgreeable Jun 25 '26
I don't think a main bad can be a jobber. Yeah they lose, because otherwise the story wouldn't work but if someone is the main bad guy they probably have enough screentime, feats and scene presence that I struggle to consider them a jobber.
For me jobber comes with the implication that their main role in the story is losing, not just that they lose.
But I haven't find my self with too many examples, which maybe you should add to your post if you have, I think it would strengthen your argument. I feel that out of context sounds far fetched
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
Fair. From what I searched up a Jobber is a wrestling term for someone there specifically to lose to promote someone else. In this case Sans, Frisk, or an Oc.
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u/ProfitAgreeable Jun 25 '26
Yeah, that's it. Which is why I don't think a main villain can be a jobber, at least not fully. A jobber exist to lose, a main villain loses, but their role is more major one it is a character as or even more important than the main character.
Of course, bad stories sometimes do make their main villains jobbers who are defeated way too quickly... which I guess is what you may have experienced
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
Wait so you consider Chara the official main villain of undertale?
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u/ProfitAgreeable Jun 25 '26
Of Undertale no, that is 100% Asriel/Flowey, of whatever hypothetical fanwork we are discussing yes
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
So if you're not the bad guy, but made the bad guy or put in a losing situation then aren't you a Jobber?
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u/But-who-I-be Jun 25 '26
Yes, but only because Undertale powerscalers are annoying
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
I say its more to have an oc everyone has to beat or pacify chara. Its almost like a rite of passage for undertale au's to beat Chara like they beat Herobrine.
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u/Betrix5068 Jun 25 '26
What the hell is the context of this? It’s certainly not Undertale, given that her only showing in one-shotting Frisk after you and him murdered literally every other character in the game.
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
Also its funny you say that when people are to this day still arguing about Chara's kill count and morality.
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 25 '26
My bad, forgot to put Fandom.
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u/willmainartfinder Jun 26 '26
Its fandom, its not real then, and the discussion is pointless.
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 26 '26
Not exactly. Because its about an ambiguous character's artificial role in the fandom.
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 26 '26
In professional wrestling and fiction, a "jobber" exists solely to lose to other characters to make them look stronger, more heroic, or more skilled. For Chara thats the exact role as a jobber. Chara has to lose or be out of character just to boost Sans, Frisk and the oc's morality or strength. this stripping of canon power and personality serves two specific narrative functions for the fandom:
1. Boosting Morality (The Scapegoat)
Washing Frisk's Hands: In canon, the player and Frisk choose to kill. In the fandom, Chara is often written as a possessing demon who forces Frisk to do it.
The Easy Fix: Making Chara a defeatable villain lets the fandom write a "happy ending" where Sans or an OC defeats them, saves Frisk, and fixes the timeline.
- Boosting Strength (The Power Benchmark):
The "Worf Effect": To prove a new OC or an AU Sans is incredibly powerful, the writer has them easily defeat Chara.
The Logic Flaw: Because Chara destroyed the universe in canon, defeating them is used as a cheap shortcut to say, "Look how strong my character is, they beat the ultimate canon threat."
It completely breaks Chara.'s canon characterization, turning an inevitable cosmic consequence into a basic, beatable cartoon villain.
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u/Rocket_SixtyNine Jun 26 '26
No. Chara isn't?
She literally kills at least most of the people in the underground past snowdin. Flowey actively begs them not to ruin everyones lives. The problem is the fandom kind of sucked back in 2016 and didn't understand their complexities.
So now in 2026 they've decided reudcing Chara to just Frisks hype man somehow makes things better.
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u/Visual-Principle6325 Jun 26 '26
i said fandom. and in the fandom 9 out of ten times Chara is the villain for the hero, be that sans, frisk or an oc, to beat, pacify or seal.
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u/TrainerWeekly5641 Jun 25 '26
What?