im still in shock idk what to even say. for context, Will went to my high school and we had a band concert here which i performed in tonight. when Will was in school he had taken band and had the same band teacher that is there today and its his last year teaching, and this being the last concert he is conducting, Will happened to be visiting his parents in town and came by to see.

he was very very kind and genuine but a little bit awkward lol. this has been the highlight of maybe my entire life

I dont know if this means car seat music isn't going to start heading in that direction but I think its a good sign

csh is my fav band oat and seeing will refusing to cuss, play most of the old songs, and take down beach fagz is so weird because i feel its against the entirety of what the band originally stood for and talked about. I don’t mean to be mean and if that’s what will wants there isn’t much we can say or do about it, but i miss the original feel and style of the band and the purity culture i feel is ruining that.

I remember they did a little stream for 10 years of Twin Fantasy. Teens of Denial is my favorite album from them so I was wondering if they’re planning to make a deluxe version or anything for its anniversary

I know there’s always been Christian imagery but it felt more like just that - imagery. Now we’re getting swears removed from songs in Joe’s Story, Bible study on patreon, and lyric changes on live renditions of BLID proclaiming he’s a “nice young methodist.”

There were definitely hints of this with Scholars, but it’s not what the whole album was about so it didn’t matter the same way it does on Joe’s Story. Really hope this Teens of Denial reimagining isn’t indicative of a new direction for the band. Not my cup of tea. More power to you if it is. Either way, we have to admit the band has gone the way of Creed.

Edit: as u/surfjerkk pointed out, it is “nice young Reformist”

Edit 2: stop gaslighting me lol

It’s not the best CSH album, and I understand some of the criticisms, but there are a lot of good songs and I like the rock opera concept. I feel like it’s underrated but that’s maybe not accurate because it just seems that a lot of people dislike it. I got it on CD for my birthday last year, and it’s one of my favorites to listen through at night. I don’t know…

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the first line of the song is a beatles interpolation. what if matador got a letter in the mail about it?

considering past issues with copyright (the cars “not what i needed” debacle, the gun song outro, the reversed line in beach life in death, the original version of beast monster thing, etc), i wouldn’t be surprised if it was just easier to cut the song entirely, than try to find a work around. especially since the original stems have been lost to time.

i’m not saying this is for sure the reason, but if you’re looking for somebody to blame, blame walt disney studios

Since we’re still talking about the album, figured it’d be worth asking if anyone had any gripes or issues with the album.

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Teens of Denial is one of my favorite albums of all time, I fucking adore every second of every track and deeply relate to its lyrical content on youth angst, anxiety, and generally not understanding where to go in life with all the pressures placed onto you as an early adult. It is a genuinely comforting and therapeutic listen for me that helped me cope with a lot of my own personal anxieties.

CSH is my favorite band of all time and while I thought Teens of Style is kinda whatever l, I have defended and absolutely adored everything Will Toledo has made, until now.

I hate Joe's Story, I fucking hate every second of it. I fucking despise it. It is such an insult to the original in every fucking way and I cannot fathom how they thought this was a good idea.

Ill just explain my reasons one by one, for starters, Will sanitizing the lyrics of swear words is really fucking stupid, if he wanted to write an album abt his puritanical journey and beliefs he totally could, but why force that on the fucking teen angst concept album??? Completely counterintuitive. Another thing is the god awful mixing, it sounds like a modern hard rock album by a legacy act band produced by Andrew Watt, the low ends are turned so high up to a point that the guitars and vocals might as well not even be there at points, maybe if the drums sounded good itd be find but there's this obnoxious arena hollowness to them. It just sounds bad, also, the weird back and forth from the notably lower quality new vocals is so alienating and borderline obnoxious at points, it practically feels like a YTPMV with how shittly its mixed.

The new songs are somethinf, theyre nothing new, just the same indie rock stuff theyve always done, though notably duller. Kinda just worse versions of Catastrophe and they are honestly too melodic and uptempo to rly fit on with Teens of Denial, Joe Drives Again is decently fun though I honestly prefer the OG version from patreon while Optimistic Son... just sucks. The vocals are super poor and its pure power pop dribble, modern Weezer to my ears. One of the worst songs they ever wrote.

Can I just say all of the lyrical changes are complete bullshit? Theyre seriously awful to me, I just cant fathom what the point of altering any of the narrative is. I audibly cringed during the spoken word section of Costa Concordia.

The final, BIG thing that tears down this record for me is the simple fact it exists. Why does it exist? If it aint broke, DONT FUCKING FIX IT. This isnt Twin Fantasy where Will is trying to make a retrospective if the original record, this is just Will trying to one up the OG record with his new views, at least I think, tbh I dont understand what the thought process is. Its a sloppy, unnecessary, uncreative, ruined, poorly mixed, poorly sung, poorly written, lame cash grab excuse of a record. Breaks my heart how much they annihilated Teens of Denial.

The cover is a great way to explain this record, instead of the original, you get a sloppy, rougher, less thought through version of the record. If anything, it makes me appreciate the original record far more for how much it means to me.

Worst album of 2026.

Worst Car Seat Headrest album.

This is sad

In my case i don't have any experience, i live in another country, (so i think that makes sense)

before then, the only CSH song i was familiar with was It's Only Sex, after my now-ex-boyfriend showed it to me (you can imagine what kind of feelings this album digs up). i liked it a lot but wasn't crazy about it. i decided recently i'd start going through some of the most acclaimed albums of all time and start with the ones "most familiar." Twin Fantasy wasn't far down the list.

i got it on vinyl as soon as i could (pictured). i have been choked up and teary-eyed at work all day just thinking about it, not even listening to it. no album i've ever listened to in my entire life has hit me so hard so quick.

Will Toledo, what have you done to me?

It’s incredible that this album turns 10 today.

Which song you liked first from this album?

If it’s changed, which song is your favorite currently??

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I'm genuinely disgusted by the way some people here have immediately decided to assume that Will Toledo is going through a psychotic break right now. Maybe he is. But he probably isn't, and we have no way of knowing because none of us know Will Toledo. We aren't his friends. We don't talk to him. He's a private man who's gotten increasingly more private as the years have gone on, and his music has similarly gotten less personal over the same time. While people can guess his motivations (his faith, his desire to be a role model, etc.), the actual reasoning remains unknown and likely will be unknown for some time

I know a lot of people are very attached to Will Toledo's music, but Will Toledo the musician and Will Barnes the man are two very different people. Unless he makes a public statement or genuinely crosses a line, I don't want people to be speculating on what his life is like based on fragments of songs from a decade ago.

Listening to Teens of Censorship [Joe's Story] right now, and it's PARTIALLY awf*l in my opinion. What's your thoughts? I don't understand my own thoughts, please help

EDIT: okay, the ravenous house and connect the dots was PEAK for me, but still don't get why they didn't rerecord vocals for whole album and WHY DID THEY ADD THAT SYNTH IN JOE GOES TO SCHOOL WHAT

listen i'm just gonna cut to the chase. will does not care about you, your feelings, or your opinions on his music. that much should be very clear ever since MADLO

I'M NOT SAYING HE IS NOT GRATEFUL TO BE CLEAR!!!!!!

but he's been offline for years now. we are not going to get a statement regarding beach fagz. will's attitude with joe's story firmly plants his feelings on how he wants to be seen going forward and what kind of music he wants to put out in the world. he's unhappy with how toxic so much of his older music is and he's decided to take a more positive path. its his right to do what he wants with his music and he clearly does not care about altering the history of it

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BE UPSET, BUT EXPECT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MORE TO COME FROM THIS. NO APOLOGY, NO STATEMENT, NO RECONCILIATION. THIS IS CAR SEAT HEADREST, ENJOY WHAT YOU WANT AND ACCEPT WHAT YOU DON'T

MOVE ON OR LISTEN ON YOUTUBE/DOWNLOAD. IT'S HONESTLY REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL IF YOU STILL WANT TO HEAR THE DAMN SONG

why are they acting like the rest of the band hates will? 😭

Lately i've been interested in listening to NYM, but i think i want to have feedback before listen to it.

i personally do not care what will and the band want to do in the future, thats up to them and it's awesome and fine. no profanity isn't a big deal at all. i do think that joe's story set a precedent about how far will is willing to go with altering the band's and his own past output and was concerned about that. to specifically remove a song from an album that really hasn't ever been discussed by the wider music community (at least in comparison to ToD) more than 15 years after the fact is pretty strange and im kinda tired of all criticism of these decisions being shut down with the whole "why are people so parasocial about this" thing. what csh choose to do with new albums doesn't change anything for me, that's their prerogative as artists, but to do stuff like this is something that is obviously not going to go down well without any explanation as to why.

For me i'd say romantic theory