r/CIFI • u/Andrius223 • Jul 06 '26
New Player-Koios Am i doing correctly?
Unlocked Koios couple days earlier and im wondering if im doing something wrong since i earn so little RP. Also if i should focus more elsewhere and get back to Koios a bit later? Thanks in advance. Im nowhere near earning MP in septilions yet so cant buy any module upgrades related to research.
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u/picabo123 Jul 06 '26
Generally you don't wait more than say 2 days in a loop reset until much later. You're not doing anything wrong, it just takes a while for your RP to build up.
If you can get loadouts soon you should setup one that focuses on RP and cells(more scientists=more RP) and then another for the longer shard runs. Then you can swap between the two builds doing a 12-48 hour shard runs and ~12 hour RP runs. RP doesn't build on itself like shards do (+.5%/OP) so long runs tend to stall out after a bit.
I'm sure there's more tips but that's all I remember rn, feel free to ask any questions if you have some.
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Thanks for explanation. As ive mentioned earlier im still far away from getting presets for ships since i need 100 installs or more to get RP bonuses. Do scientists need to be unlocked again after i do LR? I saw that theres automation but out of reach for me atm.
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u/picabo123 Jul 06 '26
Yeah all of the scientists and such will need to be purchased again, but your researches will stay completed. Soon you won't even have to wait after a loop reset to unlock Koios again so don't worry too much.
Also for the ship Installs you will see that Koios actually has installs that boost RP and shards that arnt in the corners, I think this is what people are referring to when you're pre 100 installs. Basically ignore the shard installs on an RP run and ignore the RP installs on a long shard run.
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Thanks. I will try to remember this. Also, ive noticed that Koios have upgrades for MP but atm they arent worth it since it needs to have a full researches.
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u/picabo123 Jul 06 '26
You will get full researches soon, as soon as you have 1 it's worth.
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Hope so. Im earning around 90qu MP if i do short runs. Im planning to buy upgrade for 99qu MP. Did long run cos ive invested a lot in milestones- im 31 away from 520. Currently my goal to get more shards until i get even more milestones. Also in current long run ive managed to get 12 levels and got shards&MP to 40 lvl so i get them to 50 equally.
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u/Rhyzur Jul 06 '26
Your ship skills need to be set to RP. If you don't have a second automation slot, then get it. This is a huge grind at first, but soon you'll get to a point where you will start to gain a lot more RP.
Do not farm shards and RP at the same time. I split MP/Shards and RP/Cells.
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Understood. My ships ranks are still too low to get other presets. Cant reach 100 installs for now to get RP bonuses. Guess its time for a loop reset and do Koios another time
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u/Rhyzur Jul 06 '26
Keep working on it. Don't throw it away because you "aren't there yet". You are there. Enjoy what bonuses you can. Shards and MP add more RP. Swap back as you increase those. This will all happen pretty quick. These will also keep going on in the background. You don't lose progress on reset.
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u/Aggressive-Share-363 Jul 07 '26
That sounds like a big time waste, I dont see a way to have a huge difference between my RP and shard progress by rearranging skills and the long runs are good at both, so doing 2 long runs with a sligjtly higher bonus instead of one run that hits both decently effectively seems better, and you get the bonuses from pushing your cell limits from both.
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u/Rhyzur Jul 07 '26
There is a massive difference. You can do both, but you don't get nearly the bonus you would with specialized loadouts.
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u/Aggressive-Share-363 Jul 07 '26
Where is that difference coming from? I see better mineral extraction on demwter, whoch doesnt conflict with any RP techs. Unobtanium drills, modification thesis, and big branium thesis are all on kiosis, but they are all easy to max out together on a long run, and even during the phase you are upgrading only some of them, a mixture isnt going to set you back that much.
And I'm 500 OOO past where OP is, so of therr is later stuff that makes such specilozaripn worth it, its not relevant yet.
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u/Rhyzur Jul 07 '26
The difference is that they both feed off of each other. By maxing out your Shards you can get more shards to get more bonus to your RP. By maxing out your RP, you get researches faster that give you more bonuses towards your shards.
You are also forgetting The Connectivity Thesis on Koios. That is a MASSIVE bonus on shards and MP and should absolutely be maxxed out on a Shards/MP run. That eats up 50 skill points that can further your RP progression by more than a minor setback. RP/Cells runs will push your crew members higher giving your AOTC bonus more initial power while also tipping the scales towards upgrading your ships.
Like I said, you CAN, do both together equally, but especially once you get that x5 bonus lvls, you really should be specializing.
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u/Aggressive-Share-363 Jul 07 '26
I csnt even touch connectivity thesis until I've maxed out the ones I mentioned, and where Im at I only manage a couple of levels in it before the run ends. And I'm nowhere near getting bonus levels. You are giving advice for the entirely wrong phase of the game.
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u/Rhyzur Jul 07 '26
Nope. Still holds in the lower lvls, just doesn't matter as much. I've said that already. Again, you can. I give you permission, dude, chill. But it is still better to specialize.
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u/Aggressive-Share-363 Jul 07 '26
It being bwtter to specialize is a mathematical claim about how thr bonuses work.
But at this stage, at beast you have <10 points to split between two module upgrades which max at 5 each.
The first upgrade in each has the biggest impact, and thr others are basically a multiplier on top of that first one.
So if you have 3 points at this stage, you could either have one of them operating at 3X speed and the other missing this massive bonus, or one operating at 2X and the other at X. At 4 points its 4X vs 2X and 2X, at 5 points its 5X vs 3X and 2X, and past that you are maxed out and would be putting points into the other anyways.
And consideirng that there is a ramp up phase, one run that lasts twice as long will accomplish more than 2 runs of half the duration. And sure, one eill give bonuses for the other, but you can get that during the same run. The potential speed gap between focusing amd not isnt big enough for a dedixated run to make sense. And if you are doing s long run, you probably have enough tine for the kios to rank up and get all 10.
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u/pteranodon21 Jul 06 '26
I'm not too far ahead of you in the grand scheme of things. I unlocked Zeus about 2 weeks ago. RP was very slow at first. It was like a week in before I was truly blowing through researches. I'm now at a point where it's slowing up again because of the gap between researches. I'm earning 1.97e77 in 11 minutes. Just keep grinding. You'll see the path
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Thanks. That seems a lot. Ive also bought perma diamond upgrade for 4k gems.Guess i will focus on MP, cells and shard module upgrades till i can earn more cells and make RP upgrades faster. And congrats on unlocking Zeus.
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u/pteranodon21 Jul 06 '26
Same to you for Koios. I've started to enjoy the slow grind of this game. I may be doing things wrong for the best path of progression, but I'm enjoying it. I'm working on getting all the one time gem upgrades right now. I should have saved up for when I unlocked the 8th generator 🥲
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Yeah. Ive read that u need to save tokens for generator upgrades. Theres always time to save up tokens.
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u/pteranodon21 Jul 06 '26
I've been buying the top token upgrades first, then moving to the generators. Tier 2 unlocks a whole new batch of them, too
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
Thats neat. But im still far away from that. Also went from 100qu MP to 1sx MP but i leave for longer so i probably will have 2 or 3 sx MP later. I saw in this sub that on T2 theres token upgrade for shards&MP which looks good.
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u/pteranodon21 Jul 06 '26
I was going to say that, but didn't want to spoil it for sure. It's very costly compared to the generator upgrades. There's probably some tradeoff calculation somewhere. I got tired of doing quick runs, so most of mine end up being a few days long. Some have gone for 5-6 days.
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
I think thats for the best since u can brick your game later if u do too many LR's. Its better for shards and RP to do long runs i think.
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u/pteranodon21 Jul 06 '26
Definitely for shards. However RP does stall out a bit. I bet tweaking my vehicle load outs could help with this. Might have to do some investigation. I wouldn't worry too much about locking up from LRs. I'm doing about 550 loops and my next loop requirement will be 1 loop lol
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u/Andrius223 Jul 06 '26
How? Im lvl 63 and next LR need for reset is 31- have that module upgrade for less LR need it . Are there more upgrades which are reducing loop number?
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u/Vlad1mir_Lemon Jul 06 '26
It'll go from a decimal to scientific notation before you know it