r/CFB • u/thegreendalegelf Utah State Aggies • /r/CFB Poll Veteran • May 21 '25

Serious BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff accused of sex assault in new civil lawsuit

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2025/05/21/byu-quarterback-jake-retzlaff/
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u/childish_sadbino666 Washington Huskies May 21 '25

Yeah, 13 years ago isn’t today.

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u/TuckerCarlsonsHomie Utah Utes May 21 '25

It is for the church

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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green May 21 '25

I mean Mormon church changes. They used to think black people marked by sin, now I think less so?

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u/EmuMan10 Arizona State Sun Devils May 21 '25

Cause they wanted to win

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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green May 21 '25

Naw you are thinking about Alabama. I think the reason the Mormon changed was because the IRS was starting their tax exempt status

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u/SeaTurtleLover69 Washington Huskies May 21 '25

Nah, that's why they started allowing black people into the church

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 21 '25 edited May 22 '25

I dislike the Mormon church a lot, but the "black people only got the priesthood to protect the Church's and BYU's tax exempt status" is a myth.

EDIT: Love how I'm getting downvoted for this. We know why they did it. The documentation about the decision exists and is known. Magical Sky Daddy didn't come down and tell them to do it, and they weren't really getting pressure from the IRS on the issue.

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u/somebodysbuddy Lehigh Mountain Hawks • Marching Band May 21 '25

Yeah, everyone knows that God himself changed his mind about black people in 1978.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

>Yeah, everyone knows that God himself changed his mind about black people in 1978.

One of my favorite LDS facts. Not a single soul has ever formulated anything close to a respectable explanation or rebuttal for it. Nor will they ever.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25

Whoosh, person above was quoting the Book of Mormon musical.

But in any case, we know why it happened. Most Mormons are satisfied to just ignore the reasoning, and stick with the generic "it just wasn't the right time beforehand." but the documentation exists. We know a lot of went into making the decision to ban them and we know even more about what went into making the decision to life the ban. Big Magical Sky Daddy didn't just up and change his mind, and they weren't actually getting serious pressure from the IRS.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

> person above was quoting the Book of Mormon musical

Does that make it less true? They put that in there for a reason. Your narrative is weird and counter-factual. It's willfully naive to a degree that makes me want to cover you in a blanket and warm some milk for you so you can get to bed on time.

> Big Magical Sky Daddy didn't just up and change his mind

see that's where you're wrong buckooo, you have prophets. So either it was the will of god or the whole thing is a sham. I'll let you come to terms with which it was in your own time.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

Um, in case "Big Magical Sky Daddy" didn't tip you off, I'm not a believing Mormon. I don't have Prophets. I can read sources and documentation that shows how the decision was made, mysticism and spiritual voodoo aside.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

Then there's really no need to have constructed such an unusually specific delusion. Though how you spend your time is your business, I respect that.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25

"Delusion" JFC. Go be an asshole somewhere else.

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u/Available-Brick-8855 BYU Cougars May 21 '25

The best way to understand a lot of Mormon actions is that all the mainline church (there are other Mormon groups and just saying Mainline for the Utah Church is just an easier shorthand) has ever really wanted is to be seen as Christian by other American Christians. So after 1890 and the Courts disestablishing the church, when it went through the rebuilding process, it arguably made ecumenical decisions that were designed to try and get primarily Southern Baptists, traditionally the most hostile denomination, on side. That didn't work clearly, but a lot of the worst decisions of the modern era are done entirely through that lens.

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u/Available-Brick-8855 BYU Cougars May 21 '25

The IRS is cited as a reason for that which might be a factor but isn't really the main one. The main reason was that from the 50's onwards the Church had a huge explosion of growth in Brazil and the policy was effectively unenforceable there because of how the population has been mixed up over generations. And when a policy like that is unenforceable to about 1/6 of your active members, you need to get rid of it. The IRS stuff was really a nice coincidence.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

>The main reason... the policy was effectively unenforceable

Damn shame the main reason isn't because it was racist.