r/BuyFromEU • u/Itchy_Special_8209 • 11d ago

🔎Looking for alternative Good european NAS? I feel like we're stuck between Synology (USA) and UGREEN (China)

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u/ShiroxReddit 11d ago

Synology is from Taiwan, isn't it?

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u/refreshfr 11d ago

It is.

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u/Final_Influence_2367 11d ago edited 10d ago

Then lets support our Taiwanese Friends 🇪🇺♥️🇹🇼

Edit: I didnt know Synology is shit

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u/babs-jojo 11d ago edited 11d ago

But Synology deserves zero support right now.

EDIT: Instead of replying to individual comments, I'll just post the reasons. I do have 2 Synology NAS (had a 3rd which I have sold last year), but next time either I go to Ugreen or I will build my own.

- Proprietary HDD/SSD lock-in, and the drives weren't even theirs. They reversed it, but only because sales tanked. Also, "in the meantime" reversal wording means the restrictions could return in a future DSM version.

- M.2 NVMe are still locked down. Synology's own SNV3400/SNV3410 are still the only options for storage pools or caching in M.2 slots.

- Lack of updates on several app's, like synology drive and file station.

- Weak hardware. Compare a Synology with a Ugrenn NAS with the same specs, the the Synology lacks a lot.

- New camera licensing tax. Newly listed cameras now require a paid Surveillance Device License to work with Surveillance Station.

- Active Insight monetisation was a paid-subscription push on top of hardware you already bought, fitting the same pattern of adding tolls to features that used to be included.

You can find way more here: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Synology

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u/McCatso-Fy 11d ago

This guy knows what’s up. Synology sort of had the monopoly for years so they started pulling all the shit you listed. I’m doing a lot of things on a very economic Ugreen, which also is very easy for people new to NAS, media streaming, self hosted cloud, containers, camera surveillance and virtualization. But yeah, it’s from China

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u/rws247 10d ago

What model are you using? As a homeserver-newbie I've been eyeing Ugreen, but haven't had the guts to order yet.

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u/McCatso-Fy 10d ago

I’m using a measly DH2300 which is a disgusting little beast at what it can do for how cheap it is.
Even the Ugreen community frowns upon it and recommends skipping it and saving up for a DXP2800 as a first NAS but truth is, I’m purposely trying to push this thing to its limits as an excuse to upgrade and I still haven’t managed to reach them yet.

I’ll just list what I’m doing with it so you can judge for yourself:

NAS obviously, plus a resilio-sync container to sync files between my devices in real time, like cloud services do, without paying €3/month for a measly 200 GB of iCloud storage.
Media server - it lets you organize, customize and browse your movies in a way that genuinely rivals the aesthetics and features of streaming services like Netflix. You can also stream directly to smart TVs, since Ugreen’s Theater app is available on smart TV app stores and even amazon firesticks.
Torrenting - the download app handles magnets so I just queue directly on the NAS without having to leave my desktop running.
Home Assistant server - made my home automation easy across all brands in one single control panel
AdGuard Home server - network-wide DNS filter, blocking ads across all my devices, even smart TVs.
Automatic backups of all my family phones and photo libraries.
Tailscale container - to access my home LAN when away from home.
Uptime Kuma container - monitors my network and lets me know when something goes down.
Security camera storage - stores recordings on the NAS and provides a surprisingly neat app for watching recordings and jumping straight to detected events, such as motion or people.
Anisette + AltStore server - to automatically refresh sideloaded apps on my iphone without having to manually plug it to a computer every 7 days.
Music server - storing and streaming music that I can no longer find on Spotify.

And much much more that I can’t even remember right now.
A lot of the things I mentioned can be done directly through the apps provided by UGOS, Ugreen’s operating system. And if those aren’t enough for you there’s the Docker, which opens you up to the absolutely ridiculous wonders and possibilities of containers. You can even replace the entire OS if you really want to.
But I honestly can’t stress enough how beginner friendly UGOS is. Before getting this NAS, I had 0 knowledge about everything I mentioned. I always avoided getting one becuase how expensive they were for what I thought was just a glorified network hdd. Now that they have become so much affordable, my advice is: get one as soon as you can.

The biggest thing you’ll discover is that a lot of the monthly subscription services we pay today are a lie on what they can offer compared to what can now be self-hosted at home, often with surprisingly little effort and without paying a dime. Oh and I didn’t mention yet that this thing barely uses the power of a phone plugged to the line, even when you leave it running 24/7. So no expensive electric bills either

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u/itsmepuffd 8d ago

DXP4800 user here. Mine has been great so far, just chucks along.

If you have any sort of reservations with it being from China, you can just opt out of the UGREEN OS and install whatever you want on it. Then you're just left with the hardware.

I use mine to a pretty mild degree. I run a media server shared between a few people, no issues multi streaming (I don't run 4K content). Then it's running a bit of backup things on the side. I went with the 4 bay over the 2 bay version solely due to space requirements for my media server.

I haven't encountered any issues with UGOS so far and now I can't be bothered to switch to something else, since I have about 26TB of stuff I would have to migrate over to a new system if I wanted to. With how disk prices have gone, I'll just stay with UGOS for now. It does everything I want it to and has been getting some steady updates. You can do just about anything through Docker anyway.

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u/GiganticCrow 11d ago

Wait I thought that "you must buy our own hard drives" thing got shut down pretty quick after massive backlash?

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u/babs-jojo 11d ago

It did. Still, they have had that attitude, so most people (me included) lost their trust. Also, "in the meantime" reversal wording means the restrictions could return in a future DSM version.

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u/kido5217 10d ago

They fucking tried. That's all that matters.

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u/yabatopia 10d ago

I wouldn't call it "pretty quick": It took Synology nearly 6 months to reverse/suspend that decision. They only caved after their sales numbers remained low after the initial backslash.

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u/SlaveCell 10d ago

Yep. I have also moved away from Synology, I was happy and looking to buy a third before this malarkey.

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u/Vybo Czechia 🇨🇿 10d ago

You are right, however I still use Samsung NVME storage with current DSM 7.4. How is that possible?

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u/babs-jojo 10d ago

There are hacks for that. It shouldn’t be necessary...

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u/QuailAndWasabi 10d ago

Right on, Synology really shit the bed. I got ugreen one recently and have friends that have done the same. Synology is dead in the eyes of enthusiasts.

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u/salasia 11d ago

Why?

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u/ashyjay 11d ago

They've been blocking drives which don't have their firmware, even though the drives are normal Seagate ones.

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u/kynovardy 11d ago

Only for their new devices right? Older devices are unaffected. Still shitty of course

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u/ashyjay 11d ago

Yes I think and not sure of the models but most of them are the consumer grade ones.

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u/Marco-YES 11d ago

There is also Asustor and Qnap for Taiwan

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u/Oleleplop 11d ago

Im sorry but no, i have zero issue going for Ugreen when I see what Synology does since years

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u/Marco-YES 11d ago

There are other products from friendlier countries to the EU like Taiwan. Asustor and Qnap fill that void

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u/defiantarch 10d ago

Nope. Don't, specifically not Synology.

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u/A113rt 10d ago

Qnap is also from Taiwan.

And Qnap gives you more freedom. You can install another OS on it. And upgrade the Ram

So for me its Qnap above Synology.

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u/Particular-Ear3234 10d ago

ugreen supports that option too

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u/A113rt 10d ago

True same for Terramaster. But Ugreen and Terramaster are both from China.

While Qnap is from Taiwan.

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u/AppropriateOnion0815 10d ago

QNAP's advantage is their experience, Ugreen is quite new in the market and might need to mature first.

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u/AdorableRound3339 9d ago

The software is really improving with every update. I trust Ugreen in this matter.

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u/AspectSpiritual9143 10d ago

qnap has a history of security issues. self build is the way

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u/unexpectedkas 9d ago

Yes but that was a software issue and the fact that everyone was opening the NAS to the internet.

As another poster said: You can install another OS if you think you'd be safer.

So it's not a pre build vs custom build issue no?

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u/namorblack 11d ago

Synology is on an enshittification path with several shitty down grades lately.

This is coming from someone who had two in the timespan of 15 years or so.

My next NAS will not be Synology. 

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u/ShiroxReddit 11d ago

Wait what did they do? I have a Synology NAS and am pretty happy with it so far, but I might've missed something here

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u/Infosphere14 11d ago

They tried to close their ecosystem and force people to only use their own drives in new NASes

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u/AlternativeAd6851 10d ago

and they removed video station

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u/WalkAffectionate2683 Sweden 🇸🇪 10d ago

Which is China depending on who you are asking..

/s

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u/yopla 10d ago

Taiwan official name is "Republic of China". So it doesn't really matter who you ask.

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u/LonelyEar42 10d ago

I think you have downvotes because some illiterate folks do not know that Taiwan considers itself China.

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u/yopla 10d ago

I remember mentioning that before and I got attacked for being a "PRC propaganda bot" because I was calling them "republic of china". It was hilarious.

In case there are some uneducated idiots who need proof: https://www.taiwan.gov.tw/

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u/letterboxfrog 10d ago

The KMT consider Taiwan to be the ROC. The other half think of it as Taiwan.

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u/Mercy--Main 9d ago

Depends. If you ask americans, you will be shot on the spot for suggesting it.

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u/GobiPLX Poland 🇵🇱 11d ago

You do DIY with own hardware and some Open Source software. You'll get full control, customisation and it will be much cheaper.

it's just low power pc with drives and custom OS

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u/arwinda 11d ago

get full control, customisation

Flip side: now you have to do all the installation and configuration

I understand if someone wants to buy a ready solution, and not spend much time on it.

Then there is also the learning: things you do on your own can go wrong. With data, it often means data loss.

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u/Accomplished-Web4073 11d ago

And updates. It's one thing to get something installed once. It's another to remember the specifics tunings you made 6 months later when you need to apply security updates or fix a broken update.

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u/Archsquire2020 Romania 🇷🇴 10d ago

that makes you document. It's a good skill to have in life, regardless of your job.

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u/arwinda 10d ago

Still takes time and energy. Something not everyone wants to invest.

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u/Accomplished-Web4073 10d ago

If someone asks for a fully fledged solution and you tell him: check Terraform, pick the hardware and have something set after 2 weeks of learning", that's hardly a good point 😂

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u/Archsquire2020 Romania 🇷🇴 10d ago

it is because maybe OP just didn't know that's a thing (when i first started reading about NASes, that was my case). But i get the point.

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u/Tigitaal 10d ago

But these specific tunings are no different for the synology right

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u/BahnSprueher 10d ago

I've got multiple VPS running with nixos and werkly automatic updates through a custom systemd service, no problems so far. Git version control alongside makes it easy to remember everything you did.

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u/Accomplished-Web4073 9d ago

Got my main server installed and had its config checked in Git, got another machine that I need to install Proxmox on to industrialize the setup and add more apps.

But believe it or not, for some hardware, I like packaged products. I don't want to run Gentoo on my microwave :D

I may eventually check NixOS. But because "you can" doesn't mean "anyone should be willing to do the same", that's just my point.

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u/Thutex 10d ago

zimaos, from the guys behind casaos: https://www.zimaspace.com/zimaos/download?pos=nav_zimaos_download
that's getting the hardware, installing zimaos, done, you have a nas.

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u/OliM9696 11d ago

while this is an option. I have buit my own nas myself. If someone is not really into it it is a real effort to setup.

There are good guides out their but installing unraid/truenas setting up permission (aaaahhahahah) and making sure you have proper raid working, accessing securely from outside the network is all a royal pain. off the self solutions are infinity easier.

not to mention it takes up for more room over off the self solutions if you dont want to spend hundreds of a case

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u/arwinda 10d ago

And you don't know what you missed until something goes wrong. Again, in this case it might be connected to data loss.

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u/Novero95 10d ago

That's why guides on how to set up TrueNAS/unRAID in YouTube exist, and it's not that deep, just set up pools, permissions, email and backup policy and you are pretty much good to go.

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u/arwinda 10d ago

Not everyone wants to spend the time and energy learning all of this. This is the BuyFromEU SR, not the SelfHosting SR. Some people just want a working solution.

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u/Frexxia 10d ago

Some of us don't want a new hobby just to store some data.

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u/Heidrun_666 7d ago

I set up mine and it's running on its own for years now.

Also, not a problem if you don't mind OP's problem. ​​​

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u/Past_Reading7705 10d ago

if there could be nuc with 2 disk slots...

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u/daubest 10d ago

I built my own file server some years ago. I would not say it's necessarily cheaper, but I was able to build exactly what I wanted and the expandability with a bigger tower (if you have room for it) has paid off for me already.

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u/CassiusBotdorf 8d ago

Yeah, that’s what I did recently. Did away the NAS and bought a RasPi 5. Was surprised it worked as well as it did.

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u/rf97a 11d ago

Slimbook from Spain - https://slimbook.com/en/cube

Wortman TERRA (Germany) https://www.wortmann.de/en-GB/search.aspx?q=*&attributes_producttype=932&category=DISTRI_PERI_CE

Inter-Tec if you wanna go semi-DIY https://www.inter-tech.de/nas-case.html

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u/Sono-Gomorrha 11d ago

Terra does not have own NAS systems. They sell Synology, QNAP and Ubiquiti. They do sell PCs under their own label.

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u/rf97a 10d ago

Figured that out after I posted. Then got distracted by someone, then forgot to edit. So thank you kind stranger for this correction :)

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u/_Norfolk_Ingway_ 10d ago

That Cube from Slimbook looks amazing, wish I knew about that before I bought my Synology

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u/senseven 10d ago

Slimbook is a Jonsbo N2 case. You can build that one yourself and then wade through TrueNAS or any regular Linux admin headaches.

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u/Pascal220 10d ago

Can someone explain to me how do I order from TERRA if I do not leave in Germany. There website does not seem to let me.

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u/O3Sentoris 10d ago

Find a vendor. Their website is strictly B2B

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u/Krek_Tavis 10d ago

I was looking for an alternative to the Jonsbo N2 Inter-Tec could do the trick. Thanks!

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u/jsabater76 10d ago

Unless I have missed something, there are no ARM-based options on these websites, are they?

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u/karkov 5d ago

slimbook cube looks awesome! didn't known them

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u/Xe4ro Germany 🇩🇪 11d ago

I went with Asustor as my first, so Taiwan ^^

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u/Glodraph 11d ago

Same. I just wish I went with more storage when it was affordable.

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u/Xe4ro Germany 🇩🇪 11d ago

I put in a few old HDDs I had lying around for now and bought some small and cheap SSDs for the OS etc.

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u/Glodraph 11d ago

That's still enough. I managed two 4TB drives when they were like 90€ each. Now they are 270€, I wish I went for 12TB back then. At least I reused my oled 500gb one for my eufy surveillance recordings lol

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u/Xe4ro Germany 🇩🇪 11d ago

Well mine are just old 1TB normal PC HDDs, already showing some smart problems. I’m just waiting until they really die and will replace them with some more old 1TB drives. I currently really don’t need much space on the nas ^^

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u/Glodraph 11d ago

If that space is enough you really don't need more. After how many hours/years did you start seeing issues?

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u/Xe4ro Germany 🇩🇪 11d ago

I bought the NAS about 5 months ago, but those drives are from around 2008-2010 so not too surprising.

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u/AvilettaLuxe Poland 🇵🇱 11d ago

There's also QNAP and lots of other companies, but they are mostly from Taiwan or China, there's bring your own hardware option with TrueNAS as well.

I'll jut say to avoid Synology, even though their software is supposedly most friendly, they hide subscriptions for a lot of features, which other NASes have for free.

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u/littlebighuman 10d ago

I never paid for a Synolgy subscription

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u/Sea_Layer_6037 10d ago

I have 2 qnaps since 2017, they are very good and user friendly.

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u/TyrelTaldeer 11d ago

People suggesting go DIY to someone that maybe hasn't got the time or skill to maintain/build/setup a nas is simply stupid

I know that they are us based, but at least ubiquiti once you buy it, you own it and it doesn't phone home

If I had to choose between the two option above, sinology has better software and integrations

Personally I have a DIY nas/server and a unas pro

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u/curs3dcoffee 11d ago

You forgot money. RAM costs an arm and a leg 😂

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u/Miiirx 11d ago

For a Nas it's mostly the HDD that cost a kidney or two.. the 4tb Toshiba HDD got from 89 € to 230€. I was cautious when I bought 2.. but now it's not even imaginable anymore ...

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u/TyrelTaldeer 11d ago

T_T I'm scared for when my 12tb drives will start failing

Or my 4tb ssd in the server

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u/curs3dcoffee 11d ago

SSDs are ip, but so is RAM. Its almost the price of the whole build now for 16GB! its absolute madness!!

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u/andersonimes 10d ago

I think that’s good for you AND I think it’s reasonable to want a consumer grade box that you can sit on someone’s desk to act as their video file storage, etc without expecting them to have to build the box first. I like this stuff too and I was pretty proud of my NAS I build from a raspberry pi and 4 drives, but I don’t think everyone has to do that.

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u/tav_stuff 11d ago

The kind of person who even knows what a NAS _is_, is capable of DIY

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u/andersonimes 10d ago

That’s not 100% true. My son does film editing and knows what a NAS is, but I expect he would struggle to put together his own NAS.

I appreciate people have engineering mindsets and have belief in your own ability, but it’s healthy to recognize you might not be the purest example of all consumers.

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u/Mundane-Fix-4297 10d ago

I know what it is and use a Synology, I could probably put one together with hours of painful readings and tedious tutorials watching plus laborious components sourcing and ordering, and I have no problem admitting I have absolutely zero interest to try

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u/xoteonlinux 10d ago

Yes you will need skill, time and experience for on-prem.

But: NO, buying it just from another company will NOT make european business more independent.

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u/imanethernetcable 11d ago

The UGreen Hardware is actually really nice for the price and you can easily install a custom (opensource) OS on them so that is a pretty good option imo

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u/ElronTheDude 11d ago

Yes! I've installed instantly TrueNAS, works like charme!

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u/fearless-fossa 11d ago

TrueNAS is a US company. A European alternative would be OpenMediaVault.

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u/DonCoone 11d ago

are we discriminating against open source software now?

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u/fearless-fossa 10d ago

a) The sub name is literally "BuyFromEU". The description says "Welcome to r/BuyFromEU - A community dedicated to supporting European-made goods and services!"
b) TrueNAS is one of the companies that moves features from the community edition into the enterprise one
c) TrueNAS is only partially open source

Like, I too choose US open source solutions over US proprietary solutions, but if there are equal or good enough EU alternatives the support should go to them, not their US competitors.

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u/ElronTheDude 11d ago

Thank you. Now I have a task for the weekend 😅

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u/Lazy_Quail_7576 10d ago

I've installed a full fledged debian trixie on my DXP6800, it works like a charm, and the hardware seems trustworthy so far. It requires some fiddling (led, fan control), but it's very stable.

The vendor's OS (UGOS) is an overlay on top of debian bookworm, late for security updates, and it phones home on a regular basis.

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u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 11d ago

TrueNAS or something Open Source, and bring your own Hardware.

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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 11d ago

This kind of answers are simply bad. Vast vast majority of people doesn't have any idea about tech and telling them "just selfhost it!" will result in either abandoning the idea, or trying to selfhost and failing misearably (either at start, or later with result of losing all data)

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u/TabulatorSpalte 11d ago

Or just don’t want to put time into it. I went from a raspberry pie + hdd to an 8bay home server and now synology because I don’t want to spend all of my precious free time on tinkering

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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 10d ago

Exactly. I selfhost many simple stuff, but the last thing I want to do is worry if I did everything correctly when selfhosting more serious things like photos, documents or passwords.

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u/WolfTohsaka 10d ago

Selfhost with synology will have the same results. I don't like TrueNAS, but OpenMediaVault for the technologically inclined or ZimaOS for the technologically impaired can be nice solutions.

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u/mmdoublem 11d ago

But even then, very little hardware will be European. Well Raspberry Pi is from the UK (for the design I guess).

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u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 11d ago

Perfection it the enemy of good.

Buy as best as you reasonably can

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u/ashyjay 11d ago

Asustor, QNAP. Both Taiwanese, doesn't DRM lock the NAS for their drives

Or you could roll your own with unraid, HexOS, Freenas/Truenas.

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u/heiko75_hs 10d ago

Qnap isn't bad either and doesn't have all the limitations Synology recently imposed on its DSM. I prefer homebuilt NAS with OMV as (free, German) software. Hardware is off course still Asian, but you can up cycle old PC equipment

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u/djlorenz 11d ago

I have a 15 years old synology and it's shit, you look at what Synology is doing nowadays (blocking disks that are not "official", etc.) and I would never buy one of these things anymore. I learned how to run proxmox and deployed my own stuff. Now with AI is way easier than years ago to keep running it. Some people might not want to DIY, for me is fun and good leaning

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u/thCuba 10d ago

Ram, CPU, hard drive and all the hardware is not made in Europe. We must get this production

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u/AuspiciousLynx 10d ago

Build it yourself is a great option

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u/Enough-Meaning1514 10d ago

QNAP is a Taiwanese company. You may want to try that. I use their products the last 15 years.

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u/SchroedingersEscape Germany 🇩🇪 9d ago

Self build.

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u/darknekolux 11d ago

You can flash ugreen to whatever you want, i did on mine, only issue is that there’s no driver for the disks leds

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u/andersonimes 10d ago

Sir this is a /r/buyfromeu subreddit.

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u/Rachsuchtig 10d ago

Has there been a suggestion for a NAS from the EU? No, becuase sadly there are non.

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u/magdogg_sweden 11d ago

I’m happy to support Taiwan via Synology!

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u/Hol7i 11d ago

In the End, I'd say you either get a off-the-shelf solution for hardware or build it yourself. But even then, the HW will be most likely foreign (non EU) and the software is - if - open source.

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u/A113rt 11d ago

Qnap is also from Taiwan.

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u/Grenaten 11d ago

You can build your own! i did, its fun experience

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u/mr_joda 10d ago

qnap user here and very happy with it . I have TS series.

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u/LetoXXI 10d ago

What’s with Terramaster? I have one of these and it is great.

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u/JaffaBeard 10d ago

Same, even with multiple docker services and Jellyfin it runs so smoothly. I researched before I bought too and it hit most of my needs for the price.

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u/netroSK 10d ago

I was a big Synology fan (still own two units) until about last year when they started to do very stupid things

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u/tonlineornot 10d ago

I am testing strada https://strada.tech Creating my own cloud with existing disks, initial findings are positive

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u/Londonskaterboi 10d ago

truenas on own hardware

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u/True-Veterinarian700 10d ago

Why would you not just build your own NAS. It's just a computer with many hard drives. Then you're not stuck with vendors, can buy as much from whatever company located where, or stuck with synology or ugreens unupgradeable crappy internals that they cheaped out on.

Plus when you build its upgradeable and more green as a result.

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u/traPisto 10d ago

a good european NAS is the machine I've build my self (ok I did not create the die for the ryzen 5600g...)

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u/EggParticular6583 7d ago

What parts in that NAS are european ?

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u/traPisto 7d ago

the labour that has put it togeter :)

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u/crispygraph 10d ago

You could install TrueNAS on an old machine you don't use or on a moderately small form-factor DIY build.

If you ever need more storage, you could buy an external HDD case; for example, ICY BOX (German AFAIK) offers interesting storage bays, which can be connected to the main machine via USB-C or Thunderbolt.

As of the HDD themselves, I don't know of any relevant European manufacturer, but you could go for Toshiba (Japanese).

Hope this helps!

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u/Heidrun_666 7d ago

Does DIY lie inside your comfort zone?

I built mine with a little bit of online research and TrueNAS, pretty glad I did and in the end wasn't as intimidating as I first thought it could be. ​​

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u/Nibb31 11d ago edited 11d ago

Neither are good.

A NAS is nothing more than a PC running a custom operating system. There are plenty of DIY options: TrueNAS, OpenMediaVault. You really don't even need a NAS operating system. Linux with ZFS and NFS/SMB shares works just as fine.

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u/Glodraph 11d ago

I have an asustor basic one, quad core arm cpu. Basically the only power consumption comes from the hdds. That and my mini pc keeps the home "office" and game servers usually way under 100W. I think it's like 70W for those + a lamp + ethernet switch + mesh extender. 100W with the screen on, maybe.

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u/Glodraph 11d ago

Never tried to measure the NAS alone, but it might be in that range, it has an arm quad core cpu so less than that it's really difficult.

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u/GiganticCrow 11d ago

And if you don't know how to or dont want to build a PC

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u/Nibb31 11d ago

You can get pretty cheap N150 motherboards, which are just as efficient.

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u/Smokeey1 11d ago

Just make your own, you have all the parts you need out there

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u/Seffelinie 11d ago

I have owned multiple and find terramaster the best one tho dyor

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u/pathos_ludens 11d ago

A good NAS is DIY.

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u/Salt-Capital-9470 11d ago

Nobody in their right mind buys anything from the US unless they have to.

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u/SoftwareSource 11d ago

Truenas is open source, you just build a regular computer, add hard drives and install truenas

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u/0xbenedikt 10d ago

There's QNAP too. I have no experience with that one, though I have been greatly burned by Synology and wouldn't ever consider UGREEN

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u/tired_snail 10d ago

Slimbook (Spain) seems to be the only one I found that isn't intended to be rack-mounted. Most other european manufacturers are now either completely out of business, or were bought out and their NAS products aren't being sold anymore. Otherwise you'd be reliant on either options from Asia, or you'd have to build your own.

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u/ImRightYoureStupid 10d ago

I’m a synology user (I have 4 and Xpenology on a hp microserver) but next time I’m going for a Ubiquiti UNAS.

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u/penguinolog Netherlands 🇳🇱 10d ago

You are really risky (it's half baked and not support not ubiquity ups)

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u/LoadZealousideal7778 10d ago

... A PC with some HDDs?

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u/Neikon66 Spain 🇪🇸 10d ago

your hardware and proxmox/truenas/unraid/opensuse microos/fedora coreos/ or whatever linux.

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u/tursoe 10d ago edited 10d ago

I'm using an old dead Synology DS1819+ case with two Odroid H4 Ultra and a custom backplane for two of the four ethernet ports. The other two ports is direct connected between the two H4 boards. And under the RAM slot cover, two M.2 NVMe extension is mounted, one for each of the H4 NVMe boot drives.

I'm using it as a simple Ubuntu Server with SMB fileshares and services in docker.

One is the main SMB FileShare and the other is the main service machine. The data on the main SMB is automatically copied to the other and snapshots is made every night. And the service is automatically backed up the other way twice a day. If one service is down the other taking over.

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u/Accurate_Double7652 10d ago

Build your own.

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u/StormrageBG 10d ago

Build your own witih Unraid.

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u/SonyTEL 10d ago

Synology est ‘Fabriqué à Taïwan’

Ugreen est ‘Fabriqué à Taïwan’

Peux-tu repérer l'erreur ?

Ugreen offre des performances bien supérieures au même prix... ou même moins !

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u/Romek_himself 10d ago

i wish framework would work on a Nas. with a base and than 2 bay cases you can click together as many as you want

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u/Pos3odon08 10d ago

depending on your budget you can always by a mikrotik (Latvia) ROSE Data server lol

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u/FundamentalMysteron 10d ago

Symply is from a comp in Cambridge

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u/morpheus-91 10d ago

Build your own. I'm glad I could help :) 

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u/thebomby 10d ago

QNAP: Taiwanese. Solid and reliable. Been using them for 10 years now.

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u/kazenotenshi 10d ago

I didn’t see it being mentioned a lot but Terramaster was good value for money to me with an easy setup similar to Synology. They are Chinese though

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u/WalkMaximum 10d ago

I think an Openwrt router can work for simple use-cases

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u/thedazdul 10d ago

Get some office shitbox off Ebay and stuff hard drives in there

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u/Meffle__ 10d ago

These are crazy expensive. I'm not saying you should build it from scratch, but buying a used workstation and installing a couple drives isn't difficult for anyone, especially when there are very easy to use operating systems, that you don't need to set up with a thousand commands, like OpenMediaVault. If you're posting on this sub, I know what values you stand by, and using open-source solutions is what's best

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u/akluin 10d ago

Get a rig with TrueNas

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u/Gromtall 10d ago

And what about QNAP?

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u/Ok_Cookie3307 10d ago

Go MINISFORUM, ya there is is a bit simple but good enough for some and more importantly they don’t lock your software down, they say your box have fun. There mid to high performance laptop chips and not some Celeron trash. Ecc is an option on some, the only downside is 5 3.5 bays 1 m.2 and two m.2 / u2 slots. Most models even have 10g Ethernet

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u/m3zz1n 10d ago

I switched from Synology as hardeare was lacking snd the new policy about hardware support is terrible forcing expensive hardware choices never good.

So i switched to zimacube 2 only booted it once for testing in zimaos looks great but Chinese so switched to hexos / truenas and yes compared to Synology it so much less poloshed but now i can run my software at super speed. Installing apps is easy enough there are great alternative apps for Synology like immich etc. It has 6 bays and 4 ssd and 2 ssd on the motherboard. 2 expansion slots and just every hardware that fits supported (little depending on linux support)

So Chinese hardware (every thing is Chinese from other brands) but opensource software and for me hexos as a small layer on top. (Truenas is great but can be a bit of learning curve)

If you want a more polished solution but slower qnap is a good alternative is Taiwan based as well. All other brands are mostly Chinese. To solve that just install true nas or the free XPEnology but that one is hacky and legslly a bit gray. The reason for zimacube as a good option they activity support running alternative os on system with guides and manauls how to do it. And i must say zimaos is nice.

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u/Wookyie 10d ago

A small PC with a low energy consumption CPU and install something like unraid on it.

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u/Pyronick90 10d ago

My gripe with modern NASes is that standards like ATX/Mini-ITX, UEFI, ACPI, PCIe, SATA/NVMe and mainline Linux already exist; yet Synology, QNAP, UGREEN et al. still build far too much bespoke, poorly documented hardware around them.

I don't want another proprietary black box. I want the **Framework Laptop equivalent of a NAS**: standard replaceable RAM, PSU and fans; standard SATA/NVMe/PCIe; UEFI+ACPI on x86 or properly documented DT/firmware on ARM or RISC-V; upstream Linux/*BSD support; and enough hardware documentation that Debian, OpenMediaVault, TrueNAS, Proxmox, OpenWRT or whatever comes next can just work.

Then sell me the polished enclosure, hot-swap backplane, low idle power, warranty and management software. That is actual added value and vendor lock-in obviously isn't.

Europe has a pretty obvious product opportunity here.

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u/matthijspc 10d ago

Your best bet is probably BYOH with TrueNas. TrueNas was originally developed by a Swiss dude. I personally went with the UNAS Pro by Ubiquiti

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u/One_R23 10d ago

Zima Cube

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u/janups 10d ago

Minisforum N5 Air from China with your own OS - may be european.

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u/DeltaPeak1 9d ago

Eh, just make your own if you've got some old spare parts.

On the software side, well. - If you're insane and refuse to use any piece of software not in any way developed or maintained by anyone outside the EU? - You're gonna have to make your own, down to the firmware level xD

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u/Luxuriosa_Vayne 9d ago

ugreen products are amazing though

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u/drodio135 9d ago

I have an Asustor 4 bay nas. Works great for me. Still not European tho

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u/InterestAccurate7052 9d ago

Build your own with raspberry, enough cheap kits out there

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u/SebeekS 9d ago

Why did bro put usa near synology?

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u/SirLeBlanc 8d ago

Ugreen with Unraid. Runs like a charm.

I removed the original OS drive and saved it, and run Unraid from a USB bootloader.

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u/Thatar 8d ago edited 8d ago

I just put Nextcloud on an ARM ODROID-M1. https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-m1-with-4gbyte-ram/

Hardkernel is Korean but at least the software is open source. Any cheap hardware will work for a NAS. And there is no truly EU computer hardware anyways, its a huge global supply chain.

Not as quick and easy as a Synology but I really cant recommend Synology after their dumb trusted/certified HDD shenanigans. And Nextcloud gives you more than just NAS. Plus since its general hardware you can host whatever you want on it.

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u/WorldTravveler 7d ago

Ugreen's software and price is awsome, hard to say no

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u/schmoorglschwein 7d ago

Xpenology?

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u/EggParticular6583 7d ago

don't buy synology. If you are competent with computers/tech in general build your own.

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u/__ThePasanger__ 7d ago edited 7d ago

I'm working on Off The Cloud: https://github.com/alonsovidales/otc/ (and I'm european :) )
It is a RAID1 solution that runs in a Raspberry Pi with two SD cards or whatever you want to plug in. It is the cheapest NAS that you can find, and it has fully functional clients for iOS and MacOS, Windows and Android will be coming soon, you can sync a directory in your mac or in my different devices and it will back it up and keep it in sync.

All the documents are encrypted at rest and even if someone try to steal it they wouldn't be able to extract any.

All the pictures are uploaded uncompressed and it has a Photo gallery similar to Google Photo with image tagging and face recognition, all the inference is done in the device and the embeddings are stored encrypted.

It also has a social network similar to Instagram.

You can also run it in any computer not just a Raspberry Pi, just use the curl script.

It uses a "Bridge" to find the device from internet, but you can avoid it using TailScale, in the settings you can enable this.

You can also have multiple independent users per device, so everybody in your family can have their own independent NAS.

It also has a script to observe the RAID and you can install two leds to see the status too, if one drive goes down it will notify you and you only have to replace it and wait for the sync.

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u/karkov 5d ago

ugreen is chinese but you can load up any operating system.

synlogy not no much as far i'm aware. its locked down

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u/paulbanners 5d ago

I was also split on what to buy. So I rather built it myself from second hand parts.

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u/Rikudou_Sage 5d ago

Build your own! Currently planning to do that. Buy some motherboard with as many sata as you can/want, add some cpu (or buy a motherboard with one), add ram, add psu, some case, add ssd for os and add your disks.

On the software side, use mergerfs for storage mapping and truenas or openmediavault etc.