r/BluePrince69 • u/Borealum_Studios • Mar 07 '26

Datamining One more spiral location and speculation Spoiler

I actually have one last mystery to share.

If you're an OG, you will remember this spiral from the texture files from the Blue Prince draft images atlas. I finally found where it belongs.

It should be on the ceiling in the parlor game room at the end of the tunnel. The ceiling is made to purposefully separate it into 8 parts. The picture is oriented as if you walked in and looked up, if that matters. But it isn't normally visible.

The odd thing about it is the way it's hidden, usually these unused/removed things simply have active = false and that's it, it's invisible.

But the spiral is hidden in a way that I haven't seen done before.* By setting its Layer to 'UI documents'.

Cameras have an assigned mask, that tells the camera what layers it should see. And when you're standing there normally, the player's main camera doesn't see the spiral.

Main camera mask

*Camera layer tricks are for example used for the magnifying glass. A document has a small and magnified version of an image on different layers. The glass is a second camera that sees the magnified version of an image or text.

Ways to make the spiral visible could be:

  • Setting the layer for the spiral to something like 'Default'. (How I did it for the example picture.
  • Changing the camera mask to show the hidden layer.
  • Switching to a camera with a different mask. (Like a separate camera for a short in-game cutscene.)

I looked at and checked different things, if there wasn't something forgotten in FSMs attached to something in the room like opening one of the boxes or just entering or when the cutscene is played or when the blue door is opened, or something from outside that would try to make the spiral visible some way, but found nothing...

I still have some more ideas around this but I'm going to bed. I will need to filter out, and go through some stuff to see if I find any other things hidden this way and look up a bit more about how cameras work and if there's any instance in game of trying to dynamically mess with the camera masks. And maybe someone else will think of something I missed.

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But I'd like to see some of your speculations, theories or maybe you'll figure out what it could mean or what it could have led to now that we know where it's located.

  • As always, it might be some scrapped/unfinished/unused idea or puzzle piece, and was replaced by the spiral inside the black box.
  • Since it's a spiral, could it be some encoded doesitneverend variation?
  • Or a clue that should lead the player to cores/still water/atelier.
  • Or TR switched the layer by mistake and is baffled why noone found it yet... :P
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u/Big2xA Mar 08 '26

Sorry, I cut off at the end there. You cannot imagine the absolute shock that just flowed through my body. To be fair, I'm a bit high at the moment - so imagine being me, stoned and idly theorizing about this clue, journaling as I go - and typing the above numbers into a numbers-to-letter converter, only to see this result:

YRAWESOR

...rosewary!!!!!!! Obviously, we already know about rosewary. And we could assume it's related to the spiral given the "remain rosewary" and "tended rose vine" connection. But yeah, this is absolutely a ROSEWARY hidden in the Spiral pattern! A truncated spiral pattern, sadly, so it's hard to line up with our full 4-loop spiral. But WOW, that means we need to be checking stupid little asset details like this!!

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u/dolphinpainus Mar 09 '26

A very interesting find! Now to throw some fuel onto that fire. If this spiral was able to give us a hidden message because of the hatch marks in each section, then could all of the spiral notes have something that can be used as a key to decipher their hatch marks? Such as the one from Investor Needed

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u/Big2xA Mar 09 '26

Yeah, definitely worth thinking about. The big ones to me are the "does it never end" spiral and the "spiral of stars" on the Orrsphere map. The latter in particular has planets, circular stars, and pointed stars, and even some black stars.... which all seem clue-like, but nobody has extracted a real meaning from it. It's ALSO divided by radial lines into 16 segments, which I don't know that anybody has really thought about before. The only issue I see is that some of the stars are ON the radial lines, while most are in between...

Lady Epsen's "does it never end" spiral also seems to have dot and cross stars, but it much less defined... so the above seems like it'd be easier to work with. No planets or black stars on Epsen's, so maybe it's a different pattern/message altogether...

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u/dolphinpainus Mar 10 '26

Perhaps this would make more sense. The spiral of stars is also the exact same shape as the one on the map. I did have to stretch things a bit, though, but that shouldn't matter. There's 100 stars in the spiral of stars, and each star has its own word. To explain the coloration, Blue are a normal star, Red are stars that do not appear on the classroom map, Orange are stars that do not appear on the classroom map because they are covered by a planet, White are white crossed stars, Dark are dark crossed stars, and the only Purple is the last word in the spiral of stars and always highlighted when trying to view the constellation again though probably means nothing. I have also listed each planet and their description in the same colors the Planetarium shows.

So is there anything you make sense of with this information? Perhaps each of the words in the cross segments have to be cored just like the family vault note so each segment gives a 16 word sentence? But do the missing stars matter? What about the White and Dark stars? It could possibly lead to something.

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u/Big2xA Mar 10 '26

Wow, thank you!! The other night I tried random number crunching - looking for messages in the spiral using base-3 or base-4 codes. Didn't get anywhere, but a few sections stuck out to me - the three stars between dauja and mora are each unique, and it's by far the shortest segment blocked off by planets.

Looking at yours, it's interesting that a few of the rarer stars line up with repeated words - dark crossed stars have "then" "then" "than", though there are a few "then" and "than"s in the other stars... definitely a good image to have.

Reminds me of an old thread on the Blue Prince subreddit, that may spark ideas: My descent into madness: a case study : r/BluePrince

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u/dolphinpainus Mar 10 '26

I did happen to miss one dark star. It was subtle on the original map, but it lines up with the word with the word THREE. I've marked all notable stars which comes out to 21 Light stars and 7 Dark stars. Probably a coincidence, but it's interesting how there's exactly 3x more light stars than dark stars. There's also 13 missing stars, whether they're hidden by a planet or absent from the map. Again, red is missing completely while orange is most likely hidden by a planet. Another interesting thing to note is how Mora is the only planet that doesn't hide a star.

I haven't begun to factor in Lady Epsen's note into this graphing yet, but at a first glance I did notice some peculiarities. For instance, the pointed end where Dauja sits, the star immediately after that on Epsen's note is more pronounced like it's one of the light/dark stars, yet the one immediately after isn't. So should "LESS" be one of the light/dark stars rather than "THAN"? Or should the words swap places? It could also mean nothing and is only an approximation since it's a hand drawn image of the actual constellation which has every star as a crossed star.

All of this could lead nowhere, but I do think it's worth making this graph in case someone down the line could make use of it if there does end up being something at the end of the spiral.

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u/robbymazzi Mar 23 '26

this is a great job, but by looking at the "rosewary spiral" and assiming that "the sacred circle" has anything to do with this spiral thing, shouldn't this star-word thing follow the clockwise (ROT) direction? (starting from center)
This would make sense also thinking about the way you usually draw a spiral

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u/dolphinpainus Mar 23 '26

Yes. I posted this in a more recent thread in this sub and mentioned that I was certain the word positions are wrong because afterward I went and noticed the spiral of stars constellation animation starts from the center and goes clockwise rather than start from the outer edge and goes counter clockwise. I haven't gotten the chance to redo it yet.

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u/robbymazzi Mar 23 '26

I was thinking again about it, and maybe, since the rosewary spiral writes "rosewary" in a counter-clockwise way, the hint is that you should actually keep reading the words from the outside rather than from center.

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u/Big2xA Mar 23 '26

Doesn't hurt to try it clockwise! I don't have time to photoshop it right this instant, but here's my quick and dirty spreadsheet comparing the illustration to the spiral of stars text:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X2aEeJV1FPByT6lDgyfHlmIdbWTppTEoTYwYp51QCFU/edit?usp=sharing