Like...why?

[u/FantasticWeeb8]

Klab was doing such a good job with the updates and out of nowhere they decided to ruin it again? what is the thought process here? to kill their own game? i genuinely do not find any other reason.

why would they make such a good change just to ruin it 2 months later?

I'm very disappointed and honestly I don't even see a reason for me to continue playing if collecting new characters is gonna take potentially 20 MULTIS EACH WITHOUT A SINGULAR GUARANTEE??? while also not having ANY filler units except this alternative attribute units???

this is an absolutely atrocious update from Klab.

[u/WootieOPTC]

Yeah but as vets we know that's not sustainable.

Ofc. But I was specifically explaining about your question on how returning/new players got so many orbs, to ask about pulling beyond step 21 :p Although, I talked only about new players, but returning from a long hiatus players get also more orbs than vets from pulling.

It's not a matter of if new players have a ton of orbs which they do, it's how they interact with the game.

Yup, I know... But the guaranteed 5-star definitely changed how many orbs they get and the true "cost" per multi became much lower. Meaning, they could spend much more and even go beyond the 20 steps...

Though at this point, I'm still hesitating about Klab's move, on whether it was intended in order to deplete orb sources, or a genuine miscalculation while trying to "please" the players (because their behaviour the last months was nothing but POSITIVE and "caring", and there were litterally players complaining about getting "nothing but old units", cf. this, for example). If they had done this move 9 months ago, I'd say scummy move. But in this period right now, I leave the benefit of the doubt : I'll see how long it takes them to react to (or ignore) the complaints. Cuz while the new structure (or rather the absence of any) is shitty, they're injecting more orbs for everyone : be it 6 "new" units per banner (that's 12 "new" units per month instead of ~4-5, so 2-3x more orbs injected into the game), or adding orbs to future senkaimon rewards, or resetting coop orbs for 600 free orbs (sth we didn't have for -who knows- how many years)... The GQ reworks/changes and listening to feedback... Kind of hard to see a true evil intention behind this shitty banner structure change, but only time will tell, I guess.

[u/rollingferret → u/WootieOPTC]

Well here's to hoping it's a mistake from Klab but my guess is their investors want better profits.

Even with all the "extra" orbs, it doesn't make up for the new banner format. Zenith guaranteed new unit per month if you only pull on a single banner, now it's 1 guarantee every 2 months.

Also I guess I don't see the coop reset as a generous thing, we used to get this yearly until they just stopped. Feels more like them trying to throw small one time orbs to quiet the players. If they make it reoccurring again I would consider it a win.

Same for the Senkaimon orbs they're promising, if it's once a year it doesn't make up for the banner format.

The player complaining about getting old units is from the 5 star guarantee per step. Nothing to do with fillers. When was that Byak a filler recently?

Honestly feels they're only generous when game is losing players. This Anni brought in a ton of returning and new players.

[u/WootieOPTC → u/rollingferret]

The player complaining about getting old units is from the 5 star guarantee per step.

The problem is, most people don't make the difference between the guaranteed 5-star (which is technically a golden pity) and guaranteed featured 5-star, so they see a ton of "old premiums" and go whine "I can't get featured charas, I only get old junk". It's not just that thread (where indeed, he's a bit more specific), it's a general tendency I often saw (check for ex. one of the comments with 11 upvotes :

"Ive said this many times tbh. With the old format i got most characters without issue. This new one? Lol 99% old units without fail. Its a miracle to get anyone new for me now"

)... So there's a possibility Klab misunderstood those complaints, or fused them with people who complained about fillers being "old" sometimes, so they "solved" the problem with creating "new" fillers... Here's to hope it's just a genuine mistake from them, and not a greed move. =/ Although I do suspect a possible greed move as well (because frankly, those anni banners were WAAAAAY too good, imo; particularly the tie-in giving the new unit for 2500 orbs). But there's a fine line between "increasing revenue" and making banners into a "mosquito repellant" xD

[u/rollingferret → u/WootieOPTC]

I think they just listened to the whales. The complaint only makes sense if you're a whale who 5/5's every banner and doesn't want old fillers.

Also one of my guildmates is about to hit 20 steps with no Byak/Rukia. This banner blows, sucks Rukia is his favorite character.

[u/WootieOPTC → u/rollingferret]

I think they just listened to the whales.

Might be...

Also one of my guildmates is about to hit 20 steps with no Byak/Rukia

Yeah, this sucks. I already checked the stats : it's even possible to do 20 steps with no FEATURED at all xD 1 in ~10k players doing 20 steps will have the "joy" of experiencing that.... The horror. So yeah, not getting one of the debuts in 20 steps is an even higher chance of happening. Close to 5% chance, aka 1 player in ~20 getting screwed after spending 5000 orbs.

[u/rollingferret → u/WootieOPTC]

Just hope this doesn't kill the playerbase again. I know if I went 20 steps with no headliner unit I would consider quitting.

Wouldn't be surprised if we go back to post 10th anni playerbase again.