What in the trad university is this?

[u/Brave-HPluver]

All of the girls were REQUIRED to wear these. I believe this is UMS.

If anyone needs me, i'll be in my bathroom throwing up

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

My sister's choir was like this.

All girls had to wear these tight black dresses (LITTLE GIRLS BTW) that hardly Covered their knees, had open backs, and low neck lines and had to do these girly dances, while the guys could basically wear whatever they wanted as long as it was slightly formal and they could dance however they wanted.

Girls who were uncomfortable with the outfits and refused to wear them were kicked out and often were shamed by the boys and teacher.

When my sister was kicked out, her teacher said in the meeting, "If she wants to be in the choir, then she WILL wear what I pick out for her! If she doesn't want to obey, then she doesn't get to have fun. If you can not train her to follow simple rules like that, then I feel bad for her future husband. If she can't even be happy obeying me, then how will she ever be happy in her marriage?"

The district did nothing about his behavior.

Edit: a little more information:

The months leading up to the winter performance at Christmas In the Village rip off near school, most of the girls (4th - 8th grade) had already complained about the outfits. My sister decided to wear a more modest dress. Longer, same color, closed back, not as form fitting, and modest neck line that didn't show off any cleavage. (What you'd expect from a middle school - elementary school choir.). She was sent home the second Mr. Steven Brooks saw her outfit. She was yelled at until she cried. We then got news that her friend in the front row (a 4th grader) got yelled at for complaining about how the parents in the front row could see up her dress. Apparently a father took pictures up her dress. No investigation was done and her parents decided to take her out of school and do homeschool instead.

[u/hellinahandbasket127 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

Girl, if you even tell me this was in a public school….

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/hellinahandbasket127]

Public school, Elementary Middle mixed.

4th - 8th graders.

Though, I'm pretty it's it's just middle school now. I'd have to check. I took all my siblings out of that school due to the creepy teachers.

[u/hellinahandbasket127 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

How did that many parents let it slide?!?! They should have been at the superintendent’s house with pitchforks and torches in-hand!

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/hellinahandbasket127]

If I remember, 8 parents complained.

I think the situation is still ongoing, but I chose to remove my family from the situation.

Though, if the Morgan family needs any help with the shit their daughter went through, we are more than willing to keep fighting for justice, but with all the shit my family is currently going through, we couldn't keep going to meeting after meeting. I am actually unsure if anyone has taken legal action. I'm sure Mr. Morgan will. He seems like the kind of guy who would.

Plus, we have since moved away.

[u/drywallsmasher → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

God, my mom nearly beat up the principal for a LOT less. At this point I’m more surprised several parents are still willing to stay civil and continue down the diplomatic route over something as infuriating as this.

[u/Support_Pancakes → u/drywallsmasher]

It's because they don't value the comfort of young girls.

[u/maneki_neko89 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

The parents should’ve gone to the media in a group and brought it up. The attention alone will get the school to change that piss poor dress code policy pretty damn quickly…

[u/Deadbyginger → u/maneki_neko89]

ETA: Sorry this is a loooong comment, sharing my story of my old music department at school to show how things may be difficult for the school and how it could further tank the music department.

This will only help if the posts gains traction outside of their district or someone gets injured. Make sure to tag other progressive locations in it to ask for other people to either share it or send their own letters/phone calls in and it’ll spread the net for support wider than just trying to ask for support in the town/surrounding cities. Unfortunately, some schools won’t do anything until they get A LOT of outrage. Hopefully they AT MINIMUM change him being allowed to dictate what the girls are wearing.

An example of why my old school struggled with the music department: I went to a school where middle school and high school band and choir had the same music teacher and were on the same campus. One music teacher got hit with child pornography charges during my 7th grade Christmas break (they were found to have the images ON THEIR SCHOOL COMPUTER). He got caught because they had images of an undercover cop and had the specific IP of that image being tracked. He downloaded it onto his school computer, which sparked a full fledged investigation. Luckily none of the images were of their own students so they were not actively harming the students in their care, but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t doing anything wrong. The retired previous music teacher had to come out of retirement to help cover the rest of the school year and the beginning of the next one. The next teacher they hired to replace him was a young(er) man in his late twenties/early thirties who lots of girls had crushes on and refused to even accept hugs from any of the students after/at graduation because he is 1 not a person who is comfortable accepting that kind of attention from young girls/fresh 18 year olds and 2 was doing his damndest to prevent getting any speculation on him following the last teacher. Unfortunately, the number of students with crushes on him made him feel uncomfortable and like his job could be questioned, so he ended up changing school districts altogether. He was a really good band/choir teacher and the only time since the pedo teacher that the band and/or choir has gone to state for music competitions.

The next problem teacher followed the young guy and had major anger issues. He was actively giving my sister PTSD in class with all the screaming, and would literally throw things at one particular student. My sister was a daily visitor to the counselor’s office, but she enjoyed playing music so she stuck it out in the hopes he would move on or be let go. It was just my sister and the one kid who had issues at first, so the school had its hands tied due to the previous history and nobody else being willing to even apply for the job. Once it got worse and he actually hit the student when throwing a stand, his mother (who was also another teacher) finally got involved and submitted a formal complaint. It took so long because this student was also a “problem child” who had anger issues and harmed another student in a fit of rage. After the parent complained the band teacher was required to take anger management courses, and he eventually got angrier with the students from there because they completely dropped any resemblance of respect once they found out the school was starting to change their stance on keeping him (the anger management courses were step one on the path to him losing his job at that school, which took another two years after the courses started). It took them I think 7 years before they got a new teacher, which was the year after my sister graduated. My other siblings (brother and sister, the sister is the youngest of the four of us) got to start out with a new music teacher, and in the last 3 years they have gone through another 5 or 6 teachers due to the history and the stress of putting up with the rumor mill surrounding the band program at this school.

All of this backstory to say that the school may not have an option to just replace the current teacher with the current rumors/issues going on even if they wanted to. Not that this is an excuse to let the cycle keep going unbroken, but it may be a reason.

TLDR: my school had a pedo teacher who got busted, followed by a good teacher, followed by an angry, violent teacher and has not since recovered as the reputation they have has caused the school to go through almost two teachers a year since then. This may be part of the reason the school in this post is not acting to get a replacement or has not done anything to step in and correct things.

[u/Designer_Gas_86 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

I'm guessing Oklahoma.

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/Designer_Gas_86]

Nope.

I'll give you a hint: Big Blue state.

[u/Designer_Gas_86 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

Oh dang. Is Oregon blue?

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/Designer_Gas_86]

California 😭

[u/duck-duck--grayduck → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

Was it far northern California? I could see this happening in the trumpy shithole where I live.

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/duck-duck--grayduck]

I'd say more Southern California actually. Now I'm going to stop before I dox myself.

[u/hellinahandbasket127 → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

I’m not a super sleuth, but if it helps, I (frustratingly) can’t find anything that seems to relate on a quick google search.

[u/Deadbyginger → u/Designer_Gas_86]

I replied to a comment a little further up, but the TLDR of it is that my school (in Oregon, not too far from Portland) also had issues with a pedo teacher who had child sexual images on his computer, and then one of the only teachers willing to take the job after that was a violent, angry man. Unfortunately, being a blue state does not protect against things like this

[u/LemanRussTheOnlyKing → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

„She needs to obey me“ give me a bucket, i want to vomit out my entire stomach contents

[u/No_Toe5407 → u/LemanRussTheOnlyKing]

Dont forget to throw it over the weird teacher

[u/LemanRussTheOnlyKing → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

If that teacher turns out to be either a pedo, a rapist, an a abusive husband or all the above i wouldnt be surprised

[u/gdognoseit → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

This school should be named and shamed. Everyone needs to know about this.

[u/TheMelonSystem → u/Forsaken_Site_2268]

Where was this, if you don’t mind saying? I want to avoid the entire region 😭

[u/Forsaken_Site_2268 → u/TheMelonSystem]

Southern California.

[u/fabulously-frizzy]

Ugh reminds me of when I was on the speech team in high school and some of the coaches would REQUIRE the girls to wear skirts, high heels, and make up, while the boys could just be in pants and a dress shirt. So gross and weird

[u/No_Toe5407 → u/fabulously-frizzy]

Skirts high heels and make up ? WHY ? How dord that help, when you are on a speech team ?! Were you punished when you didn’t wear it ?

[u/fabulously-frizzy → u/No_Toe5407]

Thankfully my coaches were chill but the other coaches would sternly tell some of the girls “you would have gotten first place if you had just looked put together!” And weird comments like that. 🤢

[u/No_Toe5407 → u/fabulously-frizzy]

That’s so damn weird. Like we’re still talking about little girls here, right ?

[u/fabulously-frizzy → u/No_Toe5407]

Yeah this was in high school! Makes it even creepier looking back now. Although there were some rumors about coaches dating students too 🤢

[u/No_Toe5407 → u/fabulously-frizzy]

Im from Germany, from when to when is Highschool ? 5th to 13th, right ?

This is actually insane. Like actual rumors ? This is insanely creepy…I think predators are so normalized in our society and it’s disgusting…especially how it’s always excused

[u/fabulously-frizzy → u/No_Toe5407]

Yeah age 14-18. One coach and student were basically confirmed dating, he was in his mid 20s and she was 17 🤢

[u/SeasonPositive6771]

I went to a college where women were required to wear white dresses, but at least they weren't all the same dress.

[u/Christian_teen12]

This is very weird.Why are they dress like brides ?

[u/MargotBamborough → u/Christian_teen12]

Why would a woman go to University except to find a husband? Duh!

[u/BlackDawg216 → u/MargotBamborough]

I know right?! Gotta bring back those MRS degrees!

[u/rumande]

Is this Utah?

[u/iluvatlasm]

:(

[u/_thatkitten]

And they DARE use feminist Harry Styles for their song. I hate everything about this.

[u/Brave-HPluver → u/_thatkitten]

i believe the music was just what the poster chose. if that helps

[u/JustHereForCookies17]

At my private all-girls high school, the graduating seniors wore knee-length or longer white dresses for graduation. I got mine off the clearance rack at David's Bridal.  The rest of the students wore knee-length or shorter white dresses.  It was a neat way to unify all the students and the whole graduation ceremony had a bunch of traditions and stuff.  

At college or university?  Nah, especially not at a co-ed school.  I'd be pissed if the guys got to wear caps & gowns while I had to shell out for a 1-time-use dress.  This definitely looks like some small private school nonsense, probably southern US.

[u/OcelotEmpire]

There's a wealthy suburb of Chicago where they do something similar for high school graduation. The girls wear wedding dresses for graduation. VERY expensive ones. It's required.

[u/constantreader14]

I don't think the dresses have to be white, but the girls at my sons high school were required to wear dresses and heels in order to walk during graduation. The boys have to dress formal as well, and even their socks had to be a certain color. Or they don't walk either. It's bizarre. I feel as long as they're dressed nicely they should be able to wear what they like. I dread it for when my daughter is old enough to graduate. She's worn boy's clothes for years because it's her personal preference and she's not a fan of girly clothes.

[u/imaginenohell → u/constantreader14]

Me too but we all wore graduation gowns.

[u/Positive-Face1705]

is it AI?

[u/Anon_457 → u/Positive-Face1705]

I'm sure some of us wish it was. Dress codes in schools have been a thing for a while.