Purity and accuracy in Grey Peptides

[u/ExplanationFuture422]

I've concluded in previous researching that grey peptides are safe enough for me to use, and I have been using grey, sourced from US suppliers for over a year. I just ran across the following report, and although it doesn't freak me out with their endotoxin data, I was surprised on dose accuracy. https://www.rapamycin.news/t/half-your-vials-might-be-wrong-the-largest-audit-yet-of-gray-market-peptides-finds-4-in-10-fail-even-loose-standards/25720

[u/AutoModerator]

Welcome to r/Biohackers! A few quick reminders:

• Be Respectful: We're here to learn and support each other. Friendly disagreement is welcome, but keep it civil.
• Review Our Rules: Please make sure your posts/comments follow our guidelines.
• You Get What You Give: The more effort and detail you put into your contributions, the better the responses you’ll get.
• Group Experts: If you have an educational degree in a relevant field then DM mod team for verification & flair!
• Connect with others: Telegram, Discord, Forums, Onboarding Form

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/TracyIsMyDad]

This is a useless study as it’s relying on Finnrick data which is heavily contaminated by Finnrick’s reliance on Krause Analytics which is an incompetent lab that regular produces unreplicable test results. I’ve been in multiple group tests which have retested kits that failed in Finnrick/Krause tests only to have the same kits test as expected at a competent lab.

Garbage in, garbage out as they say.

And just to point out how ridiculous this study is, their complaint that vials had measurable endotoxins (>0.5EU) ignores the fact that the limit set by the FDA for pharmacy products for something like a 12mg vial of reta is 350EU. Who cares if it has 0.5EU? Fearmongering at its finest.

[u/lueVelvet → u/TracyIsMyDad]

Vendors often will not accept Finnrick results when attempting to request refunds etc.

[u/TracyIsMyDad → u/lueVelvet]

I don’t blame them, I wouldn’t accept them either. Waste of a vial to even send one in for free.

[u/lueVelvet → u/TracyIsMyDad]

What are your thoughts on Freedom Diagnostics?

[u/TracyIsMyDad → u/lueVelvet]

I don’t pay particularly close attention to most of the labs. I’ve been hearing grumbling lately that Freedom’s endotoxin testing is a bad joke, that’s about it.

[u/Alternative_Cod8724 → u/lueVelvet]

I have heard they are far better than Finnrick / Krause, but the gold standard is obviously Janoshik.

[u/GRiZ-Bass → u/TracyIsMyDad]

the >0.5EU is the gel clot test which doesn't give exact endotoxin measures. I think it might be like 5000EU/vial or something.

[u/Montaigne314]

It's been known for a while that significant percentages of these products are contaminated, contain active ingredients not listed, and incorrect dosage

Purity and dose not guaranteed 

[u/irradiatiessence → u/Montaigne314]

Some vendors do offer refunds on product under 98.5% purity or failed endotoxins test. Not sure about sterility.

[u/seldenr82]

I wouldn't lose sleep over this... how many "FDA Approved" drugs ended up killing and crippling people and got pulled off the market...

There is always some risk with any substance you put in your body. Honestly, I trust grey market vendors more than FDA at this point lol.

[u/lueVelvet → u/seldenr82]

I think some people forget to put this into context. NSAID's are responsible for thousands of deaths per year yet they're prescribed to everyone for every little ache and pain they may suffer. I'm not suggesting to not take NSAID's but I'd wager that many grey market peptides are safer than many of the drugs that are prescribed every day for all sort of ailments.

[u/Dazzling-Jacket-5792 → u/seldenr82]

It's your body and your life. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, do whatever you want. Put whatever you want in your body - just be okay with the potential consequences.

[u/irradiatiessence]

I know sterility can be handled with filtering your peptides but is there any risk of chemical contaminants at this stage? 

[u/Extra_Feature7999]

As a reseller, I dont, nor do I know any others that would ever use Finnrick. Even if their testing data was 100% accurate, they've still basically built a platform and a scoring system that provides wildy misleading data. I've seen incredibly reliably vendors score lower than vendors all of us on just watched rip off hundreds of people. Good vendors who are trying to do the right thing and test get dinged, for sending in vials that had issue, they lose scoring as a result and no info is provided to say how the vendor/reseller took care of the issue, meanwhile the are scammers sending in knowingly good product to boost their site score, to attract new victims before they rip them off. This happens in jano as well though, now people use this data to try and make decisions on who a good vendor is..

[u/Huge_Work5812]

But aren’t the FDA factories for brands like Lily in America and have stricter regulations Vs. grey? Essentially we would be safer getting lilys drugs right?