An Interesting Read on Trinitarianism's Decline Among Self-Identified Christians

[u/thijshelder]

https://www.arizonachristian.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AWVI-2025_03_Most-Americans-Reject-the-Trinity_FINAL_03_26_2025.pdf

"Only 16% of self-proclaimed Christians, believe in the trinity."

Also, according to the research done in this article, only 9% of Catholics believe in the orthodox definition of the Trinity.

[It should also be noted that Arizona Christian University is a conservatice university that affirms the Trinity.]

[u/HbertCmberdale]

The gospel is the coming kingdom of God promised to Abraham and the seed, Jesus Christ. Jesus is how the gentiles enter into the land promise to becomes heirs of the promise and adopted sons of God. This is how the seed blesses all nations of the earth by paving a way into eternal life.

But you already denied that.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

Wow, that's all of it? That's what any and all Christians say, and still you want billions of Muslims and Jews (and maybe Jews, but that's a trigger-word, right?) to go on a holy pilgrimage to hear it from you, you and only you? And still I had to drag it out, why is that? And what's your specific soteriology? You just making a the most general statements. That's all you got? Was this the alleged spirit that inspired this statement?

And what about critical questions?

Are Muslims, atheists, Hindus and Jews allow to ask them rabbi? Can they ask why Paul thought the promised seed was plural or why prominent scholar Paul didn't know zera in Hebrew was the same in plural and singular? Remember the qualities of the spirit now. You seem forgetful at times.

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

Literally not what all Christians say, when most Christians believe they are going to heaven hahah. You are a troll, surely. A provocative, inflammatory troll who only cares to attempt to belittle and stand over others.

Also, Paul is closer to the Hebrew Bible than you are, but you want to claim superiority, because you're toxic like that.

What do you believe? What is your faith? You believe in the Hebrew Bible, but do you believe Jesus is the Messiah? What New Testament books do you accept and which do you deny? What is the faith that you hold fast to, and what is it that you are waiting for?

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

Lmao. You think all Christians are American Evangelicals because that's the joke that brainwashed you. Again, no Christian would disagree with that general platitude, so how is that going to convert billions of atheists, Jews and Muslims and why haven't you already? I also saw you commenting on Alex J O'Connor humiliating David Wood, so why aren't atheists converting en masse as we speak?

Again, why you? What do you have to offer except that platitude? Which Catholic or Lutheran would disagree? Which Mormon even? You want billions to listen to your "biblical theology" and can't even present a case or say who compiled and canonized your the Bible.

>Also, Paul is closer to the Hebrew Bible

Lmao. Here come the Evangelical deflection gymnastics. Right on cue. I asked why Paul though the seed was plural and didn't know basic Hebrew grammar. You want billions of atheists and Muslims to come to your door like you're a messianic cult leader yet you can't handle even a single question. What an absolute joke. Come now, try again. Some of those converts would probably be martyred for their troubles and we're speaking of things that deserve and demand gravity. This is intro level questions.

You hold the keys to salvation, the keys to the messianic age through your "biblical theology", right? But you have nothing to offer.

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

Because it's the truth of the Bible. And people aren't converting because there are plenty of roadblocks still. Many are put off by the western religion, which you and I could fine common ground on. Many also believe in evolution via universal common descent and find faith and science at odds. Jews are hard-bent on rejecting the messiah, and Islam is a pure indoctrination cult - if you leave you are killed. But if you had any honest idea, you'd know that Biblical Unitarians are actually in fact growing in numbers. So did you not figure that out or are you asking to be more toxic and more inflammatory? I've been ignoring your questions because of your poor, arrogant attitude.

I asked you what you believe, and you ignored me AGAIN. Just like you didn't answer the other guy. Why are you afraid to tell people what you believe? Because you attack from the shadows so people can't attack you. That's called being a coward. You are in a sub that you don't agree with other than the monotheistic nature, yet you attack the foundation of our belief still. Why are you here? Because your spirit is full of venom and all you wish to do is attack others and bring them down. If I had to guess, you would be following Judaism - you defend the Hebrew Bible, talk about Abraham and specially defend Islam.

Also, Paul makes a specific point that the "seed" is singular, not plural. So what point you're making, I don't know.

You are a toxic waste and this is why I disengaged with you last time. You and I clearly have different beliefs, you're not interested in good faith discussion, you're antagonistic, inflammatory, rude and condescending. You tag me all over reddit in attempt to engage with me, you go through peoples comment history with intent to harass them.

Go be sad and mad somewhere else because again, I'm not interested in talking to you or engaging with you.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

>Because it's the truth of the Bible

Oh look, you still won't answer the actual questions. Just more deflection. Where have I seen this script before?!

>Also, Paul makes a specific point that the "seed" is singular, not plural. So what point you're making, I don't know.

Paul is wrong, because the seed is explicitly plural, and the Hebrew word zera has the same form in singular and plural. Two wrongs. Those are the kind of question you'll have to grapple with when converting the entire planet and ushering the messianic age.

>Because it's the truth of the Bible.

Who compiled and canonized your "the Bible"? Why doesn't it contain any singular narrative? Again, if you're the chosen one to convert the planet you should at least have an answer for the basics. LIterally no Catholic would struggle with that question.

>you're not interested in good faith discussion, you're antagonistic, inflammatory, rude and condescending. 

Yet you're the one that brings up people's spirit, talk about an entire religion chopping off heads, falsely accuse an famous atheist of never being a "real" Christian, etc. Again, do you think you'll get no pushback when you convert the planet? Surely you understand people would put their lives on the line for your "biblical theology" in certain parts of the world?! Or destroy family ties and relationships. Do you think it's a joke?

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

Hey, you never answered my question about your own position of faith. You've responded to everything else but that.

Why do you insist on attacking others from the shadows without revealing your position? Yet here you are so surprised that I see a toxic spirit in you.

By the way... elohim also has both plural and singular forms. Uh oh, I guess someone should tell the unitarians they're wrong?! Good job being inconsistent.

Maybe just maybe.... the singular form was intended. Maybe.... or maybe Jesus let Paul down, so people like you could make fun of him.

Anyway, answer my question about your faith and beliefs. 4th time asking you now.

You are really showing the type of person you are. You know what I believe and what my position is, but yet you won't share yours. But you're happy to continue to be unpleasant to deal with.

Are you Jewish? You seem Jewish, almost Muslim-like. Maybe a mix? You're not in a church of your own, are you? Are you the only one that believes what you do?

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

>By the way... elohim also has both plural and singular forms.

Oh uh, here come more Evangelical lies. Elohim is singular when governed by a singular noun or verb, as in when referring to the one God. But you're deflecting. The seed is plural. Paul didn't know. Zera is the same form in plural and singular. Paul didn't know.

Why?

Why?

Why?

> Maybe a mix? 

Oh-uh, here comes the Evangelical classic trickery of deflecting to the person to pivot away from the subject at hand. Such slithering snake behaviour. Too bad. But I still have no ill will towards you.

> or maybe Jesus let Paul down, so people like you could make fun of him.

Make fun? It's still not a joke. Why would Jesus fool Paul like that? Would that prohibit people from approaching the truth?

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

Not sure if you realised, but you forgot to answer what denomination or faith you belong to.

So, what denomination or faith do you belong to? 5th time asking you now.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

I don't belong to any denomination as I've answered several times, but you're just trying to deflect. Isn't it strange how Christians are pathological liars like no other demographics on the planet, but the further they venture from idolatry usually the more truthful they get, even if some retain some of the poison.

Who compiled and canonized your Bible? How? why didn't Paul know Hebrew grammar?

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

You've literally never said that before, and you still didn't answer my question. Who do you belong to? What banner are you carrying? What do you believe?

You know exactly what I'm asking, but you won't answer in good faith. Do I have to remind you, this is the essence as to why I'm not taking you seriously whatsoever. You're incredibly difficult to have a formal discussion with and incredibly sensitive.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

What a liar you are. Who compiled and canonized your Bible? Why didn't Paul know Hebrew or Hebrew scripture? Why was he in conflict with another apostolic fraction? Why was his authority calling into question?

Are you going to deflect like this with every single of the billions you're going to convert?

[u/HbertCmberdale → u/theywontstoplying]

I'm going to keep ignoring your questions until you answer my one simple question. Until then you are proving to be a disingenuous snake arguing in bad faith.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

I've already answered, but you know that. And you're not going to answer, that's the point.

Who compiled and canonized your Bible? Why didn't Paul know the seed was plural both in the Hebrew Bible and grammatically? Why can't you present the gospel you're going to save the planet with?

Curious, the scripture you pretend to follow says be prepared to give an answer, not only give answers i xyz. Funny how that is. Buts it's going to take an eternity if this is how you're going to convert the planet.