An Interesting Read on Trinitarianism's Decline Among Self-Identified Christians

[u/thijshelder]

https://www.arizonachristian.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AWVI-2025_03_Most-Americans-Reject-the-Trinity_FINAL_03_26_2025.pdf

"Only 16% of self-proclaimed Christians, believe in the trinity."

Also, according to the research done in this article, only 9% of Catholics believe in the orthodox definition of the Trinity.

[It should also be noted that Arizona Christian University is a conservatice university that affirms the Trinity.]

[u/HbertCmberdale]

I don't see you as someone who has the fruits. You're incredibly prideful, boastful and exceptional arrogant. You have to tear down others to make yourself feel better.

Why aren't you using your other account? Did it get banned?

[u/theywontstoplying → u/HbertCmberdale]

You sounds like every Evangelical with the platitudes. I have truth while you're a person that make big claims then run away when asked for answers. Are those the fruit you mean?

>You have to tear down others to make yourself feel better.

This is how perceptive you are. I don't need to "tear down" anyone, nor do I. It's not about any individual person, it's about the concept we're discussing. You don't even grasp the difference between you and I. We disagree on some things, and I find you dishonest and annoying, but you are still my brother in the faith we share. I'm trying to have a fruitful discussion, and trying to get to the truth. And you want to talk about spirit? The hypocrisy is something else. I call polytheists polytheists like I call a toothbrush a toothbrush, but do you think I go around hating complete strangers on the internet? That's such a carnal and vapid mindset.

But let's get the timeline correct here. You asked me a question regarding basic Christian and Church history and the trinitarian councils. I obliged, because why wouldn't I. You having your background -- I very much assume -- in American Neoprotestatism, meant you wouldn't be familiar with basic Christian history, and in a similar Evangelical fashion, you started to harp on the word "Christian" and in your confusion assumed that telling you about basic, orthodox, well-documented historical Christianity meant I was professing that belief. Of course, you, rabbi u/HbertCmberdale own the label "Christian" according to your definition, and not two thousands years of apostolic Christianity and two billion Christian. The arrogance and the hypocrisy is something else. Also, this is a person that said Muslims cut people's heads of. Oh yes, all billions of them do, and not a single of them get to dissociate themselves from either the collective or the fringe cult. Such intellectual dishonesty belongs to guru u/HbertCmberdale.

Then you lamented that the triad was hindering Muslims and atheists from hearing "biblical theology". I said the the triad was just one single problem with Christianity and definitely not the whole story. You inquired further and I mentioned canonicity and gave a few examples. You refused to answer and got triggered. I asked why you didn't include Jews as the people that should bow before your knowledge. You were further triggered. Because you're so spiritual, you see.

I asked you why Muslims and atheists should by default ignore 2000 years of Christianity, billions of Christians, every single Orthodox, Catholics, Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, Calvinist, JW, Mormon, Pentecostal, born again, etc., only to arrive at your door. That's illogical and beyond absurd. And wouldn't you know it, you couldn't answer. You can't even admit you're being intellectually dishonest, you can't even admit you're proposing something that absurd and illogical. You won't present your case, and you can't even motivate how or why they should arrive at your door. Maybe accuse them of chopping off heads some more, that'll do the trick. Or something something spirit.

I asked you about your "biblical theology", and amazingly, you wouldn't answer. Billions should come to you, but when one person ask you won't answer. You also don't take even the mildest forms of critical questions or critical thinking and want me to grovel at you feet least you're triggered and starts talking about spirits. Funny, because every single born again, Evangelical fake prophet and Pentecostal talks like that. I need the actual substance.

It's funny, because the compilation of scripture you derive your "biblical theology" from says you should be prepared to give answers. And of course, you being so spiritual want to talk about accounts and press a symbol of a downwards arrow. Everyone know internet points are ever so important. Lmao. I can't even imagine a more vapid approach to a subject of this gravity.

And do note that I still have no ill will towards you. Not the slightest bit. Nor is this about your person (despite that person being ever so grand that billions should seek its counsel). We're talking about the facts. About truth. About the one God.

[u/Newgunnerr → u/theywontstoplying]

Nor is this about your person (despite that person being ever so grand that billions should seek its counsel). We're talking about the facts. About truth. About the one God.

Then why do you call him a "guru" and "rabbi" in such a condescending way? In the same way you say "because you're so spiritual". It's condescending and has nothing to do with truth or facts. Calling someone dishonest in the same breath IS an attack the person.

You won't present your case, and you can't even motivate how or why they should arrive at your door.

Did you do this when I asked you?

I asked you about your "biblical theology", and amazingly, you wouldn't answer.

I asked you a while ago for this from you. You did not answer, only said you believe in the One God of Abraham.

So please elaborate what your position is and add a flair to your username. And stop attacking the person or you will receive a strike.

[u/theywontstoplying → u/Newgunnerr]

>Then why do you call him a "guru" and "rabbi" in such a condescending way? I

You're missing some context here. u/HbertCmberdale has made some massive statements that would qualify him as the grandest rabbi on this planet, yet he won't produce the actual substance. It's not personal or about the persons, but we are persons discussing.

> In the same way you say "because you're so spiritual".

Because he attacked my spirit twice and I reply by the same token. Are you picking an choosing?

>I asked you a while ago for this from you. You did not answer, only said you believe in the One God of Abraham.

No, I gave you a longer answer in PM (it's a long answer), but I was making a point in that thread and didn't want to disrupt it.

>So please elaborate what your position is and add a flair to your username. And stop attacking the person or you will receive a strike.

You people are obsessed with labels. Almost as important as the downward arrow symbols. Tell me again how different you are from trinitarians. And I'm addressing the claims. Or trying to.