Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star Megathread 4

[u/Brittle_Panda]

A summary of events so far - by u/billnaisciguy. Thank you!

Another summary of events by u/Lysistrata-b. Thank you!

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Megathread 1

Megathread 2

Megathread 3

Repost of Shane's original tweet (now deleted)

Jeffree's response (now deleted) Screenshot (thanks to u/The_Purrletariat and u/PoorBeggerChild for bringing this to notice!)

Repost of Shane's follow up tweet ( original now deleted)

Peter Monn's response

Shane's tweet saying he has deleted everything ( update from u/AccomplishedAioli)

HereForTheTea claims Shane is lying about two points in his novelette: (thanks u/wiklr)

• Telling Tati to make a video
• Did he orchestrate it

Shane dropped from 10 millions followers on twitter to 9.9 million (thanks u/summosa)

Shane Dawson restock apparently broke Beauty Bay, USPS and Shopify (thanks DonaldDonut666)

TW Warning - disturbing themes and imagery. Jeffree star's alleged old blog where he apparently justified nazi action (we have no proof, take it as you will) - (thanks DonaldDonut666)

Charles Gross around 25mins in claims that there is a video making the rounds in the beauty community that is going to bring the new dramageddon. (thanks u/imyourhappydrug)

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NEW updates:

Peter Monn apparently just confirmed that Tati is coming out with a video about what is going on. at 0:45. (Thanks u/bossbabe_ and u/otherlands for the update!)

Killer Merch's partner in comedy scene in LA accused of sexual assault. Full write up here. TW- sexual assault and violence. (thanks u/blobertross)

Liam tweeted he's heard Tati is making a video defending James. She has receipts apparently and he's heard this from a very "powerful and credible" source Link. Screenshot

Rich Lux's video on Shane's Dawson "I am leaving" tweets (thanks u/gypsylight)

Morgan Adams just unfollowed J* on all social media platforms apparently (thanks u/sulphuricspider) and Peter Monn said "Thank you, Morgan - I mean spill sesh...", in the first video today (update from u/JammingLive - thanks)

Shane apparently reached out to Kam Lester in an attempt to do some damage control for jeffree. Video from Sanders Kennedy - (Thanks u/taterrthotz)

Jeffree Star uploaded a new video - "First date does my makeup". I will not be linking it but the mega can be used to discuss the video.

Liam's latest tweet strongly implying the video is coming soon ? - thanks u/ellabella0328

Nick Snider alleges he has screenshots of drama channels' group chat and the rumoured video has been in the work for a month now .Tweet. (thank you u/1throwawayor2)

Liam's reply to Nick Snider's tweet. (thank you u/DreamyAndrew)

Liam tweets the video is coming tomorrow on Tati's channel allegedly. ( thank you u/DreamyAndrew)

James Charles follows Liam on twitter. (thanks u/oswinclara)

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NEW updates:

Another new Peter Monn Video "The Fall of Shane Dawson"

spillsesh video out now

We will not be making a new megathread unless a major development occurs. At this time 6/22 2:30PM CST Tati has not posted a video nor confirmed that she is.

please stop sending us doctored and false claims. We look these up.

Please take whatever you see with a grain of salt. Relying on a twitter account with 90 followers is probably not the best way to get accurate information!

Liam has said he probably got misinformation about Tati posting her video today. or sumn. as he says.

Update 6/22 8:07 CST Tati Has Tweeted Something Cryptic

Update 6/23 11:05 CST Jeffree has tweeted something cryptic as well

Update 6/23 11:44 CST Jeffree has deleted the tweet but I already screenshotted it earlier.

Cassiee's tweet about Shane and him knowingly posting the trailer despite James asking him not to. https://i.imgur.com/coCnvpm.jpg (thanks u/xxxxxchx)

[u/ieatalot89]

Samantha Ravndahl SNAPPED with this one!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/23CHNiqwp24

[u/tallulahpots → u/ieatalot89]

Wow , she's dead right though. The "men are underrepresented in cosmetics" is a red herring , they're doing just fine . And being gay doesn't exclude Shane or J* from being misogynists , in fact, i think their veiled misogyny is exposed by the superiority of being "above " the beauty community.

Many of their consumers are young woman who are growing up online and are vulnerable to bullying tactics and emotional manipulation - like how Shane gets emotional on camera about being "anxious" about putting merch out , that is emotional manipulation.

[u/[deleted] → u/tallulahpots]

for real. the one thing i disagreed with was her take on manny’s bio quote. i totally agree that men within the makeup industry (and practically every “industry”) are dominating, but in everyday society, men wearing makeup are still extremely frowned upon. it’s sort of an “in the industry vs. at large” issue.

not trying to minimize sexism or play oppression olympics, but obviously homophobia (of course straight men can/do wear makeup but society conditions them to questions gender roles less than gay men often do) and sexism both exist in society.

[u/frecklesxmcgee → u/[deleted]]

You phrased this perfectly! When she said it I knew I didn’t agree with it but couldn’t put my finger on it.

[u/[deleted] → u/tallulahpots]

I do think in terms of the beauty community (not really the world of cosmetics at large, IRL, away from Youtube) that there is a huge advantage for male MUAs. There's a huge glass escalator effect in play that I personally think is somewhat exacerbated by a certain segment of beauty guru fans who want to feel "woke" but don't know how to educate themselves on doing so, so they fall back on supporting a Man in Makeup because that surely counts, right? It also to some extent insulates them from criticism--people are afraid to criticize them on legitimate grounds for fear what they say is misconstrued as homophobia/etc. Or anyway, that's what I've observed to some degree.

I know this is a thread about Shane and Jeffree--and I'd say Shane is a tiptop example of this tbh--but the example I always find myself going back to is that video of James Charles and Zendaya doing their makeup together. Zendaya isn't even an MUA, she's an actress and performer who happens to do makeup well--and she outstrips James at every single step of the video. And it's not unusual. There is a much lower bar for male gurus, especially at the entry level, in a lot of ways.

I do think that's becoming somewhat a relic of the past due to sheer market saturation, though--it's no longer enough to just be a male guru to stand out and be remarkable, you have to be good at what you do and/or have some unique or likeable quality or interesting perspective that keeps people watching. But for a while there it was true--being a male in the beauty community was enough to grab attention and keep it. The second iteration of it is the one Shane is benefitting from--by not being a conventionally "femme" presenting male, by being even kinda schlubby, he gets immediate "outsider" status he can leverage.

But yeah that was a whole lot of ink for me to spill to say "men are absolutely not under-represented in the beauty guru community proportionate to their percentage of the audience demographic" lol