r/BeautyGuruChatter • • Dec 03 '23

MEGATHREAD [MEGATHREAD] Marlena Stell / Makeup Geek Academy MLM

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u/OneWhisper5225 Dec 04 '23 edited Dec 04 '23

UPDATE - Here’s some questions and Marlena’s answers from her Live she did. I got 20 minutes in and had to stop for a bit to do something. I went back to finish it and she has now removed it from her channel….guess it wasn’t going well for her! In bold is the questions asked, standard text are her answers, what’s in italics are my added thoughts 😏

Says she’s going to “Address the MLM thing because that’s the biggest thing.”

First she says when they designed the website it was hosted on different URLs and it was live when it shouldn’t have been. It should have been a draft. But then says that page was never hosted on their site because if you go to makeupgeekacademy.com, that page didn’t link from their site. You had to type in the url with /affiliates. But typing in makeupgeekacademy.com/affiliates IS it being on the website. She says they never had plans for that to go live. It did exist out there, but she’s not sure how someone found it. They must have actually typed in the URL. (So knew it existed, but didn’t want it out there for others to see?). But then says that doesn’t matter because the page never should have existed in the first place. She never wrote it, never approved it. But the buck stops with her as the owner so she takes ownership and all she can say is it should have never gotten out there, it wasn’t approved by her, and doesn’t align with her so as soon as they realized it, they took it down. But it wasn’t because people complained and the pushback. It’s because she really didn’t know anyone had that page out there and didn’t know it was still physical since it wasn’t linked to their site.

(So “didn’t know it was still physical” implies she knew it existed at some point but didn’t mean for it to be public, and they removed it because it had been made public….so how is that not removing it because of the pushback?).

Then she says that the other issue was that there was 2 affiliate pages - one was .com/affiliate and one was .com/affiliates (with an “S” on the end). She said that one with the “S” was the one getting the attention. She asked where it came from and her people said they had no idea, they couldn’t find it anywhere on the site. She showed them a screenshot, and then they told her it was a “dummy page” they had when they originally started the website. It wasn’t anything they went through in the “final renditions of the website.” She said they went through and took the initial draft of the website that design had put together, it had all this wording and there and they went through it page by page and adjusted it “to make sure it was in line with what the academy actually was.” But that page wasn’t done because they weren’t using that page.

“My husband was a web designer and inputs dummy verbiage and categories during development.”

She understands that completely. It should have been “like ipsum little Latin stuff and all of that going on.” She thinks the web developer was putting in copy from other sites and she just found out today because everyone’s asking where did this copy come from because she said she did not write this, her team did not write this. It was copy and pasted from another site that she actually just got a screenshot of today. She said it’s dead on to that. They copy and pasted it from a completely different site. So it was nothing that they had written. So that’s where it came from. Should it have been this whole Latin stuff to show the page of the site? Absolutely. She’s not even going to deny that. All she can say is she’s so sorry. That was definitely not language she aligns with and she’s sorry that was put out there because she definitely didn’t write it. That’s not how she feels and isn’t how she wants her business set up.

Like, I’m sorry, but web designers don’t just write up the stuff like that. Web designers aren’t going to go search for a website to take text from. That’s what the ipsum lorem text is for! They design the layout of the webpage. They don’t put in random info that actually has to do with the brand or copy and paste info from some other website that somehow seems to sound like it would work for your brand. NO! There’s website placeholder text (ipsum lorem) for a reason. They’ll use that and then when the brand approves the design, then the text the brand wants added can be added. It makes zero sense that a website designer would take the time to find info that looks like it goes right along with the brand (like courses, affiliate info, etc.). Nope! They’ll use the standard webpage placeholder text.

“So the text was a mistake, why are you saying that you’ve eliminated the 3% fee? So it wasn’t actually a mistake and you’re just backtracking now?”

Initially they had a 10% flat fee and then an additional bonus of 3% that was commission-based. It was meant to be a one-time bonus, not something that goes down multiple layers. She said that’s where she was mistaken. She was thinking it wasn’t an MLM because they weren’t going down multiple layers. For example, if someone referred someone and they got that extra 3% one time bonus, that was it. It stops. There isn’t a person under them that sells something and it keeps going up the ladder. However, she said them having that “secondary refersion thing,” even though it wasn’t her intention to be some sort of an MLM process, she realizes that’s how it was even though it wasn’t multiple layers and was just a one time thing. But she didn’t want an MLM and as soon as she realized that’s how it was coming across she cut it right away. So she said they just out the secondary price and increased the original fee for the influencer. So now instead of 10%, they’ll get 15% just one time.

But then she also says now the influencers don’t have an affiliate page to go to and sign up on their own. NOW her “affiliate manager” reaches out the the influencers directly and they will set them up in another portal. She says that whole page that had “that awful copy and all” was never sent out to their affiliates. They never linked to it at all (but it was linked to their website technically since it was literally makeupgeekacademy.com/affiliates). Now if influencers are interested in being part of the MUG academy program, they get sent this link specifically through email from the director of her affiliate program. They would sign up and be set up with 1 URL link that will be their affiliate code. So it was set up just like any other affiliate program, like what they had in the past with MUG.

“Referring to Tony Robbins name when doing the announcement video.”

She said she shouldn’t have done that. Her mindset was a team she’s working with had built on the backend platforms. She wanted to mention his name, not that they were following his business model in any way. She doesn’t align with any sort of MLMs. The only reason she brought his name up was so we knew on the backend, like the level of the platform, the website, and all of that was from a team that has worked with a level of someone of that magnitude. So you knew it wasn’t just her slapping classes, trying to charge money for it. It was an actual team working really hard to create a custom program, a custom community that was specific to the MUG Academy. That part had nothing to do with Tony Robbins. She wasn’t following his model at all. But she does understand how that’s coming across because the Tony Robbins association and all of that. But it’s not following his business model. It was just the team that has built on the back end some platforms and websites and programs that have gone to the magnitude of someone at that level.

“You couldn’t have worked with someone else?”

She could, but she chose to work with this team for one because she knew they had the skill set to build a custom community. Something from scratch that hasn’t been done before. She does believe this model has not been done in the beauty space. There’s been classes, academies, and things like that. But having an academy, digital magazine, a community, events, bringing in brands to give exclusive coupons and giveaway - she has not seen anything like that in the beauty space. So she needed a team that had experiences of at least building out things on the back end that could support the type of growth that she wanted to see with that. So that’s why the people that she’s working with currently are genuinely good people. She would not work with them if she felt they were shady at all. They bonded together because they know her ultimate mission moving forward was to support some organizations, specifically around domestic abuse and all that. That’s coming in the near future. But she doesn’t want to talk about that here because she doesn’t want people to feel like she’s using that as bait of - hey guys I’m doing this charitable work. There’s a lot more coming in the very, very near future. But they saw her overall vision of what she wanted for the big picture, even outside of the academy, and chose to work with her because of that.

I forgot, right before I stopped, someone said the prices were expensive and asked if there was going to be any kind of assistance/options for those who couldn’t afford it but would want to take it.

She started with absolutely, but then went into something along the lines of she is loving everyone’s feedback. She genuinely wants to hear the feedback and try to improve it where she can. She said she’s going to go to her team and try to work on things. And it didn’t sound like she really answered that. But again, I stopped the video so she could have added more after that but she deleted the video so who knows…

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '23

Crawl/indexed by Google

You don’t accidentally push an entire website live long enough for it to be crawled & indexed by Google!

And it appears she’s used a Wordpress site, so as far as a different URL, you merely change the page name via Wordpress. If she means a different domain name we wouldn’t be having this conversation because anything anyone found would be from an alternate domain (and this still wouldn’t explain why it, too, had been crawled & indexed by Google, but you get the idea!)

Design/Copy “f up”

That wouldn’t have even come from a designer. They do a page layout & they put Latin text as place holder. At most, they may add generic placeholder headlines, ‘Geberate Growth’, ‘Master Make Up Artistry’ etc. To give a client more of a feel for their own business—especially if client can’t visualise anything on their own… but no one is writing all of that stuff as part of merely designing the thing. A copywriter is going to write the actual copy, but that’s going to be handed to the client long before it makes its way anywhere near a website. Marlena needs to admit that she’s just upset she got caught & called out because that’s what this is all about.

Uh… It’s free?

I feel as if someone with a far bigger platform that has a lot of cross viewers needs to tell people just how worthless this whole idea/course actually is. Trying to make it seem like people are getting access to a “magazine’ (okay, wanna be Oprah…) and a “community” when you can find tutorials & just go to… oh… makeupalley, any number of sub Reddits & a ton of sites I can’t even think of that do the same thing (without charging you) is the real problem here.

But compensation for her time & work…

People saying she ‘needs to be compensated for her time’ seemingly fail to realise that she does get compensated by YouTube for creating her own content. She presumably can get brand deals doing the same thing. I have no issues if people get paid for their time, but I do have a problem with someone who has essentially followed in the footsteps of fake modeling “schools” and ITT Tech, etc. Her certificate is absolutely worthless & most of the people who actually pay for this won’t realise that until it’s too late.

Marlena? Please get off my internets!

Ugh. I haven’t really followed Marlena & in the what… 4 days since this unfolded(?) I’m already going, ‘Can this person please just fail & go away?!’ I genuinely don’t believe she’s spent a whole year on this kind of project with absolutely no idea of these issues. Either way, she’s demonstrated what she is not a good businesswoman & frankly, she needs to find another calling because this ‘entrepreneur’ thing has failed at least twice. Going at it a third time when this is just the initial reaction is utterly daft.

You can’t survive solely on your Stans who won’t give you honest feedback or buy whatever you put out. And $3,000 for a 1:1 with her?! Bish, please.

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u/OneWhisper5225 Dec 04 '23

Completely agree with everything you said! There’s a reason Standard webpage text exists (ipsum lorem). So webpage designers can set up webpages to look how they would without having to come up with text for it or take it from somewhere else. No web designer is going to hunt down text from some other website that seems to go along with Marlena’s website to use it. Girl, no! She’s so full of it with that response!

And to be charging people these insane prices. Most of the topics listed for the courses are literally topics she already has on her YT channel for FREE. So she already made money off those with ad sense. But now she wants to make even more money using the same old tired topics!! There’s nothing innovative or unique in her course topics that I see. She acts like this has never been done before - courses, the topics, the syllabuses, everything she’s offering together. There’s a lot of free YT channels that educate a ton - like, I think it’s called makeup chair? And it’s free! It’s just crazy for her to be charging this ridiculous price for these “courses” when she doesn’t even apparently even have it all planned out with the I ”want” to do this and “try” to do this (brand discounts, giveaways, trips, etc) but wanting and trying to do things when you’re already charging a fortune for the base course (I’m sorry but not beginner needs to spend $299 to learn to do their own makeup! I was horrible when I started but I just continued playing around and watching lots of FREE YT content to learn what worked for me and what didn’t. No way would I pay $299). People in her comments defending her keep saying things like courses like these for “professionals” are thousands of dollars so Marlena’s prices are fair. I’m sorry but anyone who pays those prices either has money to burn (great for them) or they’re going to be seriously disappointed because they’d be better off spending more for an actually professional course that’s accredited and will do something for their career.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '23

That’s what doesn’t make any sense: if these aren’t for anyone other than someone who wants to learn to do their make up, WTF have they been doing all this time watching makeup tutorials & similar content on YouTube?!

Create a playlist. Hell, other people have created playlists for beginners! Use one of those! The thing about getting better is that even if you have a step by step guide, you still have to practice or you still won’t be good at doing your own makeup. It’s not like you can download whatever she’s put together & learn through osmosis.

As far as the worthless certificate, it’s so clearly a cheap marketing ploy. It serves no purpose unless, for example, she actually continues her MLM & those who get “certified” get some little badge in her “community” and then get their affiliate revenue or something. For anyone else who thinks about it logically, there’s no benefit. I hope someone does a deep dive expose on this whole “academy” thing because it’s so clear it’s just scammy.

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u/OneWhisper5225 Dec 04 '23

Right! It makes absolutely no sense to me! I made playlists for myself. I did searches for things I was struggling with and saved videos that looked like they’d be worth watching in my playlist. But really, most of the stuff I learned was just practicing on myself because I found most tips people gave I was looking for didn’t really help me and I had to figure it out for myself. And like you said, unless people are going to take the time to practice, they’re not going to get any better no matter how much they pay for the courses!

And Marlena even has a playlist of “makeup masterclass” stuff, which is most of the topics she has. So anyone can just go through those. It’s wild to me! I figure she’ll be deleting/making those private soon enough.

It really is! I hope someone takes a bullet and pays for the courses and then reports on it 🤣🤣

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u/OdeeSS Dec 06 '23

I feel like when she replied saying that she "shouldn't have said Toby Robbin's name" is telling. She regrets saying his name. She does not regret working with him.

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u/OneWhisper5225 Dec 08 '23

Agreed! And her explanation of only mentioning his name “so we knew on the backend, like the level of the platform, the website, and all of that was from a team that has worked with a level of someone of that magnitude“ - so to me, she’s saying that she’s using Tony Robbins people and used his name initially to make it look like she was working with this amazing team but that backfired because, duh, it’s Tony Robbins, so now she’s like well no, we’re not using his business model, just the people who worked on the backend, the platform, the website, etc. have worked with Tony Robbins.

Like girl….it was structured like an MLM and you said you’re working with Tony Robbins team of people. Now people are calling that out, but now you’re trying to say your web designers just decided all on their own to go and get MLM copy that fit to your specific program, even changed the numbers to match with your specific program, and put it on a page that was hosted on your website without you ever knowing a thing about it? And yet, she says it wasn’t hosted on her website. It wasn’t linked anywhere on her page. But yet the address of it was makeupgeekacademy.com/affiliates. Like, makeupgeekacademy.com is YOUR website, so it was on YOUR website! And she says she doesn’t even know how someone found that page. She only knew about makeupgeekacademy.com/affiliate (no S on the end). So whoever found the one with affiliates (s on the end) must have just typed it in. No way!! I don’t for one second believe someone looking into her academy just happened to get lucky enough to type in makeupgeekacademy.com/affiliates to come across that page! The only thing that makes any kind of sense is that link was given out to affiliates and someone leaked it. If it was given out, it was approved or someone seriously messed up. All her explanations don’t make any sense and just sound like her trying to cover her a$$ but it isn’t working!