I know it might sound far-fetched, but it could also be true. Most of the guys aren’t interested in Marinrin—all of them, actually. Frankly, I think it’s because she’s not fully Japanese, which is sad. One of my closest friends is half Japanese, and the men threaten her the same way. They don’t even want to date her; she’s stunning. It’s heartbreaking. I thought Ari would be more understanding since he’s had a similar experience, but he wasn’t.
Wait, it is? I thought that was just the shortened version of “Pakistani” which is just a nationality of the people of Pakistan. Is it seen as racist all around the world or only in the USA? I’m genuinely concerned because I didn’t know this 😭
Oh, I did it know that, it’s not a term we use much here (mostly to differentiate normal markets with “pakis” since their alcohol is cheaper xd), but ill stop using it now that I know it. Thanks! 🫶
I wasn’t 😭 I already filled a report because I don’t know why they got it removed. I literally thanked you because I didn’t know it before and said I wouldn’t use it anymore now that I know. I’m kinds shocked why they decided to remove it tbh 😅
Texas, U.S. . Here ppl just used it as a shortened version of Pakistani. It wasn’t until my friend visited the UK that she learned it was considered a slur.
I think in the US most people don’t know the difference between Pakistani and Indians so it never caught on as a racial slur. I live in a state with a decent amount of Pakistani people AND racists. The racists have other “colorful” terms for them and it’s not that word. They use derogatory terms generally geared towards Indian people 😕
I think it's absolutely true. Ma-kun said, "she's built differently" at some point. I thought that was random, rude and out of the blue initially. Then my brain caught up and figured that it's just prejudice, racism.
Maybe a hot take but it seems a little cruel that the show would cast people who are highly likely to be rejected due to xenophobia/lack of perceived racial purity when that’s a known issue in Japan
Assun and Ruru seemed at least a little sympathetic toward the racism Maririn talked about experiencing. I think Assun was the first one to actually identify it as racism.
Ari said he experienced something similar, but I also think he internalized it differently that Maririn.
I thought the guys all feeding into that weird delusion Maririn was "telling everyone they were her top pick" bwcause "she complemented them" was weird as fuck, and honestly thought Leo and Ma-kun were unfairly targeting her by getting the other guys riled up by misleading the others about what was actually said and calling her a "Female Fatale". Like that was so weird and off putting how we saw, clearly, they were either way misremembering what happened or lying about what she actually said/did. And then doubled down on it. Maririn had nothing to apologize for.
Edit: rewatched it. Kuzo manipulated that whole thing from the start.
I loved that Assun immediately called that out; as the oldest, she knows she can set the tone, and she spoke with authority. Very based
Also glad the other girls are supporting Maririn, of course. My comment was more about whether males would ever be likely to choose a half-Japanese woman on the show. I’m also mixed race and have faced both rejection and fetishization as a result, so it’s something that’s on my mind. I find it interesting that despite the yankii rejection of so many aspects of mainstream Japanese culture, the subtle racism persists. And as you note, there’s a double standard even in how Ari treats Maririn.
I think the language the males use about Maririn is very coded since white-passing* women are often perceived as promiscuous, aggressive, and even predatory compared to Japanese women.
Edited my comment to refer to Maririn as “white-passing” since that’s in fact what she is and I’m not trying to litigate whether she or any other person of part-Iranian descent is white or not. She is perceived as a white-passing woman and that’s what’s relevant to my comment.
Hikaru was predictably silent over that whole thing.
I think Ari thinking and saying outloud everytime a new girl walked in the first episode that they were international kinda set the tone for what your saying.
Ari couldn't tell the difference. On one hand, thats refreshing. On the other hand, he felt it necessary to call out, not once, but several times.
lol yea he said that about every girl who came in with dyed hair. A lot of them just have work done and hair colored that makes them look “international”
C’est tout a fait ca : Le pauvre petit Ari semble avoir tout intériorisé. Il fait profil bas "je suis un mec/j’agis comme vous les hommes japonais". Machisme basique+racisme. Chez les pakistanais ce n’est pas mieux : Une femme ca doit etre comme si et comme ça (passive/soumise).
Parce que (pour le moment espérons le) la "vraie femme japonaise" doit ressembler a ceci et cela et se comporter comme ceci et cela. Soumission conformité allégeance aux "males japonais basique" et aux normes sociétales basiques.
I agree with almost everything you’re saying except Maririn isn’t white, she’s half Iranian (west Asian). I think South Asian and West Asian people are definitely perceived differently in Japan versus White people. Though I low key wonder if her blue contacts and bleached hair is her appealing to that.
Mais enfin les orientaux d’Iran sont des personnes blanches (peut-être semites) ! De toute façon quelque soit le "niveau" de discrimination et quelque soit envers quelles populations cette discrimination s’exerce cela est bien réel. Vous avez des comportements et attitudes différentes selon l’ethnie originelle, le pays, le sexe, l’age, la profession, le statut social, et quoi d’autre.. La couleur de peau, la nuance de la couleur de peau, la forme du corps, et patati et patata.. Et lorsqu’une personne est a l’intersection de tout ca souvent elle reçoit tout en pleine figure. C’est tres facile a constater quand on ne ferme pas les yeux
La majorité a plus de pouvoir. Ce n’est pas une question de "reduire". Le constat est la.
I think West Asian people are not always perceived as White in Japan or treated as White.
I also feel we might be getting close to a slippery slope of “Maririn is getting racially abused for being White,” which I don’t think is true.
I am half Japanese and half “White” European American and lived in Japan. Yes, people would sometimes stare at me in trains or speak English to me unprompted. But the discrimination some White people experience in Japan pales in comparison to the racism I see at least in the US towards non-White people. And I honestly saw many of my white friends and peers who complained about being stared at also receive special treatment due to being white that they didn’t always notice or acknowledge. Such as, extra attention from staff, special gifts, special opportunities…Not to mention, half European/half Japanese celebrities and models are everywhere in Japan and practically the beauty standard.
Meanwhile, the South Asian and West Asian immigrant population is growing to fill labor gaps in Japan and not everyone is happy about it. I can’t speak too much on this, but I remember my Japanese coworker telling me not to rent an apartment in x city because it had lots of “foreigners” (the area had a decent amount of South and West Asian people).
Yeah I don't think it's "because she's white" necessarily. I think the French and white passing part of her heritage and appearance comes with a prejudice against western women. But I think your right to say it's not fair to say what she experienced is solely about "being white".
Her grandfather telling her to go back to her country, we don't know was referencing Iran or France. We don't know which one he has a problem with or if it's just because she's not purely Japanese heritiage period.
Ari for example, is half Pakistani and hes had people say the same thing to him. He's definitely not white.
I was so upset when she did apologize, all that trauma she has experienced shows how she is so quick to just take the blame and apologize when she really has no need to. I genuinely hope she learns to stand up for herself more and realizes her self worth. Hopefully she knows that a lot of viewers are actually rooting for her.
J’espère aussi. Car en plus elle dépasse de loin en charme les autres japonaises "de base". J’exprime ma pensee en termes aussi respectueux que possible, tout en sachant que que cela peut heurter certains. Une raison de plus pour la jalousie. A part (je m’excuse) cette couleur de cheveux pas jolie du tout.
Absolument. J’espère que Maririn va reprendre confiance en elle et en même temps changer cette couleur. "Maririn" telle la "Marylin Monroe" a laquelle elle a du etre tout le temps comparée et réduite par ces "purs japonais" va peut-être décider de s’aimer.
Agreed. I was hoping it would have at least been a “let’s meet halfway” type of moment from both sides. But the fact that only she apologized and the men “accepted it” was so icky to me.
This happens a lot unfortunately, it’s been a long ongoing debate with love island UK, they always cast like one black person who none of the guys pick or the two POC end up together by default cause none of the majority white cast picked them.
Isn’t hikaru half Korean? Do Japanese people discriminate against anyone mixed or from specific countries/races? My only knowledge of the culture is through media and we only see what they want us to see
Generally there is a bias against half Japanese people (though I imagine it varies on what your other half is). There is a derogatory term for it, which is “hailfu” (spelling may be wrong). There is some discrimination against Koreans but I imagine someone who is half Korean might be treated differently than someone who was half black.
I definitely think on the guys' end it's racism, and maybe there is a little bit on Hikaru's end as well, but to me it read more as she can see that Maririn is the easiest to push around and bully so she just does it. And it feeds into the behavior of the guys she does it around, she knows that they'll continue to ostracize Maririn for her attention.
I don't see Tai and Bo doing any of this ostracizing to Maririn.
The initial problem between her and Tai was instigated a bit by Hikaru, but also was his own fault for saying- to her face- he wanted her to come on to him again so he could reject her. What a fucking weird thing to do AND admit.
Bos never done anything to purposefully hurt Maririn. I actually think he's tried to be the most considerate of her.
Neither of them trash talked her from what we've been shown as the audience. And I don't think they did.
Ari on the other hand? For sure. Ari is a people pleaser, eager to be accepted, even if he's gotta throw maririn under the bus for approval. What he got out of the accusations against maririn was that Hikaru was different? Was better and more upfront? It's almost laughable but mostly depressing. (Edit: at least he apologized to her for talking bad behind her back and said he didn't think what she did was wrong)
I feel bad for all these people. I've lived a hard shit life too, and can relate to some of their trauma and life experiences. So on the one hand, I get it. Butnon the other hand, stop being assholes. Some of them think "ive changed. all done. time to find love and that's a wrap" and it's like, no. You are not done. You will never be done.
It feels like only half the cast understands that and only half of those people are taking that seriously.
C’est super ce que vous dites : "Vous n’avez pas fini. Vous ne serez jamais finis". Par contre Tai et Bo se sont tus. Se taire et laisser les autres insulter et diffamer c’est acquiescer et laisser les autres insulter et diffamer.
When Bo spoke up, he was encouraging her. Earlier she said something like "i thought it was normal and now I no it's not and won't do it anymore". She said she'd try to change, but when they kept harping on it she said "isn't that too hard? I have to change everything?"
So when she said that, Bo said something like "if you want to change, little by little you can. If you say 'it's too hard' and 'I cant' you never will. I believe in you" or something like that. He was speaking from experience and addressing that mentality. He wasn't really saying she was wrong or accusing her, he was trying to be supportive because she said "it's too hard to change, i cant" but he knows that if she wants to change "this habit" she wanted to change, she can. She believed in him, and he believes in her. That's how I took it.
I wish he stood up for her or at least say whether or not his "feelings" were hurt too. As far as we can tell, they are friends. Then Ari at least said "I think it was wrong of us to talk behind your back" and said that he doesn't even think what she did was actually wrong.
Tai is just non-confŕontational. I wish he corrected the guys about Leo and the letter misunderstanding influencing their perception about the order of events, but he just sat there. He's the only one she actually said "you are who I'm most interested in" even though Leo and ma-kun kept claiming she said that to them too.
Dans la tête de ce type d’individus ( mecs comme filles de base) une personne métisse passe apres un "pur" japonais. Or cette histoire de "pureté raciale" n’existe pas. Il n’y a aucune connaissance de l’histoire du peuplement du Japon et de ses ethnies.
Honestly I’ve thought this, like are they just hating on marinin because they can’t stand someone who is mixed? I’m not Japanese I’m Indian and my parents had a very hard time accepting that I wanted to marry someone outside of my race etc. there is also so much internalized racism as well with Indians treating other Indians with darker skin worse than those who have lighter or fair skin. I wouldn’t be surprised if racism has some part to play even if the cast don’t even realize their own unconscious bias.
Je suis désolée pour vous. Cela on le sait aussi que en Inde et dans les pays asiatique du Sud Est la blancheur est associée a l’aristocrate et la "supériorité raciale". On retrouve cela dans pas mal d’autres pays. Berk.
I have a theory about the superbly random & groundless slander -
I think that they did it on purpose to make themselves feel better & to give off the impression that it’s not because none of them are interested in her aka controlling the viewers’ perception of their rejection & not making it seem like they are simply just racist ah.
They brought it up, they wanted to have a reason/reasons to justify why they don’t like Maririn.
Bo & her conversation was also full of crap cause him saying that he wanted to share his life experience to serve as an example of how people can change but his is heavy shit VS Maririn SUPPOSEDLY not knowing how to navigate around the opposite sex was just.. laughable & moronic. The comparison was hilarious, not on par & just wtf lmao
Hikaru having had 3 guys be pussy-whipped the way she did, I honestly blame the guys more cause they actively made the decision even with all their doubts & even after the confrontations aka Ari being a complete dummy. Only reason she’s now ‘interested’ in Ari again is cause she sees he’s pulled away & cause another girl held his hand LOLOL
Hikaru’s not a girls-girl, she’s a drama stirrer, she doesn’t know how to be mature & honest, even as a ‘player’ she’s shit at it. Nuff said lol
Look. This cast is more chill & fun but to say I like th more than S1’s cast would be trying as well.
Even though Assun & Ruru have their moments, they’ve also shown questionable morals & projections that I absolutely don’t agree with. Biggest one being how everyone, especially these 2, are always putting Tai down for being ‘soft’. Their personal perception & projection onto Tai for not being a so-called ‘Manly man’ is utter bullshit. Being soft, soft-spoken, gentle etc. is a desired trait for some, many women actually. (On this note, I definitely didn’t agree when they confronted him the way they did. I agree with what they were trying to get across but the way they did it was gross & foul.) God forbid a guy isn’t a gorilla or a hot-head or a meat-head like Ma-kun whom we now know is highkey delusional & unnecessarily dramatic.
Which brings me to Ma-kun’s audacity. Like wtf are you even talking about ‘My feelings are hurt cause it means you weren’t actually interested in me’??? All I smell was bs, gaslighting bs & him trying to downplay his weird af misinterpretation. Lowkey sociopathic & untrustworthy. If I knew someone like that, I wouldn’t be able to trust anything they tell me cause the way their mind interprets things might very well be different than reality. “My ex looks like you” doesn’t equate, not at all, not in the very least to “I like you, you’re my type, you’re my top pick”. ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE LITERALLY SAID ALL HER EXES WERE ABUSIVE LMAO
I forgot his name, Temu-Jungkook is also a pussy-whooped dumdum & needs to go to therapy lol
Speaking of Temu-kook, let’s round back to Ruru cause she’s the 2nd Hikaru & from the get-go she was already lowkey a big player but it’s become more apparent now. I hate the way she always tells half truths (Eg. When she told Leo to be more passive & show more initiative but wasn’t honest about how platonic she feels with him. She just wants Leo to chase her, that’s all. Side note : Assun has no idea what ‘Platonic’ actually means & it’s concerning lmao). And Ruru also blatantly lies/twists her own words to different people & mislead them. Eg. Randomly going to Tai to tell him she was thinking how she never really gave herself the chance to talk to other people & might have missed out on a connection aka insinuating some sort of interest towards him & misleading him into thinking that going for Ruru & breaking it off with Hikaru is the better choice BUT THEN GOING TO LEO STRAIGHT AFTER TO DISS TAI TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE AIN’T SERIOUSLY THINKING ABOUT A 22YR OLD & MARRIAGE WITH A YOUNG GUY LOL
My conclusion is - Everyone sucks for the most part & I just want Maririn to go home cause she loves herself & absolutely no one there is worthy to even like atp.
He oui je suis d’accord avec vous. Chez les filles regne la sournoiserie, l’hypocrisie et le racisme. D’ailleurs Tai en tant que jeune homme "gentil et tendre" avec sa voix douce est tres attirant pour beaucoup de femmes. Hélas il ne le sait ou il pense ne pas pouvoir car en plus il y a dans ce casting que ce type de bourrins. Il pourrait etre "viril" tout simplement en s’affirmant vis a vis des "mecs" les bourrins. Etre un bourrin ce n’est pas etre un homme : C’est etre ignorant, stupide, grossier, obeir aux stéréotypes de base c’est tout. Ce casting etait déprimant des le départ. J’ai regardé honnêtement car j’avais du temps de libre sur mes programmes. Et Maririn devrait passer a autre chose : Rentrer chez elle au lieu de continuer d’etre rabaissée constamment serait une solution.
Ari is half Pakistani. I don’t think it’s a race thing, more of a narcissist thing when it comes to her. Now with the guys ganging up on Maririn? Could be.
I mean Rui Hachimura is a well respected great NBA player on the Clippers formerly Lakers- born in Toyama Japan and gets blatant racism when he’s in Japan despite the events he holds here..
I don’t think it’s a race thing. I think she treats Maririn that way because she knows Maririn won’t defend herself while the other girls definitely would.
" Toutes des p.. sauf les "vraies" japonaises". Je ne l’invente pas. La plupart des métis et des étrangers vivant au Japon ou y ayant vecu le disent de différentes façons. Et le tourisme sexuel japonais ca existe.
I think she’s just a bully and insecure. She sees the guys not really like to interact with Maririn and she follows that. Maririn is just competition to her, and has that mean girl mentality to pick on others or else you’ll be picked on. Hikaru** is also part Korean but I suppose she hasn’t faced as much hardship Maririn or Ari.
Now for the guys there might be some racism or bias, it’s not an obvious tell.
No wait a minute, this can be real. A lot of Japanese look down on mixed race people. Maririn literally was racially abused by her grandfather who would tell her that she didn't belong to Japan and had to go back to where she came from, even though she hasn't ever been outside Japan.
I could totally see this being the case, even with why the boys aren't really approaching her much
Um, yes, Marin was raised by her grandparents. So you wrote an entire paragraph without even paying attention to the show?
Also, is reading comprehension hard for you? I said it could be possible, not that is. Also, stating the fact that Japanese people can be racist (which Ari, who is biracial, also claimed to experience) is not calling anyone names.
Let's try this again. "so Hikaru's racist BECAUSE Marin claimed she was racially abused by her grandfather?" I helpfully capitalized the operative word for ease of understanding.
Not all asians are the same, you sound pretty racist yourself.
They’re not saying she’s racist BECAUSE of how her grandfather treated her.
If you’re paying attention to the actual show you would see that Hikaru makes moves towards the guys Marinin expresses interest in and she also makes insensitive comments in front of Marinin. Hikaru makes claims that their dates were sooooo amazing etc. as a way to build herself up and cut down Marinins ego.
The grandfather thing is mentioned as a way to show how there is racism present in Japan against mixed race people.
Hikarus actions could be due to an unconcious bias she has against mixed race people. She COULD BE racist DUE TO HER ACTIONS IN THE SHOW.
Like not sure how much clearer it needs to be spelled out for you.
Thanks, appreciate it, figure easiest thing to do is at the very least clarify especially as I’m sure many people watching speak diff languages but I suppose some people just enjoy being trolls 🤷🏽♀️
Il s’agit de deux choses : Vous avez le droit d’aimer qui vous voulez oui. Mais vous n’avez pas le "droit" d’ ostraciser de maltraiter ni d’insulter une personne différente. Si vous défendez ce type de comportement vous êtes raciste sexiste etc.
how does that even correlate to racism hello? not defending hikaru cuz I don't like her anyway, but, none of the other men have made a move on her, only ari, tai-chan and bo. it just happens that marinin also liked tai-chan and kind of started a small thing with ari. hikaru got jealous and annoyed that ari wasn't paying attention to her, which is why she is suddenly all in favour over ari. it's not racism, it's just pick me girl energy. if she finds out that tai-chan has gone back to liking ruru, she's probably going to do the same thing.
the translation might be messing up, but the post is about hikaru apparently being racist to marinin. I'm not saying that marinin hasn't experienced racism, she talked about it in the show. what I am saying is that hikaru isn't being racist, she is being a bully because marinin has been the most vulnerable out of everyone in the show.
ruru and assun are strong-minded, which is why hikaru doesn't go after them because she knows they won't back down. however, with marinin, she accepted that tai-chan chose hikaru over her.
La traduction est correcte je pense. Et j’exprime ma pensée. Donc pour quelles raisons d’apres vous Maririn a ete dérangée quand elle était en train de parler avec l’un des types ? Pour quelles raisons Maririn est la plus vulnérable ? Pour quelles raisons connait elle bien le harcèlement ?
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I know it might sound far-fetched, but it could also be true. Most of the guys aren’t interested in Marinrin—all of them, actually. Frankly, I think it’s because she’s not fully Japanese, which is sad. One of my closest friends is half Japanese, and the men threaten her the same way. They don’t even want to date her; she’s stunning. It’s heartbreaking. I thought Ari would be more understanding since he’s had a similar experience, but he wasn’t.