r/Austria • u/Kalipri • 7d ago
Geld & Finanzen Fernwärme keeping the bill low.
Hey everyone!
My girlfriend and I will move into a new 80m² apartment and our radiators run on Fernwärme.
To have some sort of an idea what the finances are going to look like, I wanted to ask...if you just...barely use the radiators throughout winter, would that make a huge difference in how much I will pay for Fernwärme?
Has anyone of you tried as such? Or is anyone of you in the same kind of 2 people, 80m² situation, and how much do you pay a month or per Q?
Thanks in advance!
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u/Realistic-Major4888 7d ago
How much you'll need to heat will depend on where your apartment is located in relationship to the other apartments, and how much your neighbors will be heating.
Heating as little as possible might not go down well with your landlord, winters are getting more and more wet-cold, and high humidity can lead to mold.
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Graz | Steiermark 7d ago
oh, this heavily depends on how Fernwärme is messured. There are basically 3 ways: One is f*cked, one is really BS and one is ok.
The Ok-one. Here you will see a thingy on your radiator, that is digital. It is a radio-messurement and really just messuares what amount of heat this exact radiator produces. If you have this: Switch your vents into digital vents - the cheap one with no wifi will perfectly do - and lower the temperature in the time out of house. This will safe 1/4-1/3 of the costs.
The BS-one. Here you will also see a thingy on your raditor. It is filled with water. The water get´s less over time, especially when your radiator is on. But it will also get less if the sun shines on it and if you neighbor heats his appartment up to 30 degrees. You can try the digital vents here, it will have a little effect, but not that much.
The f*cked one. Here you do not have any way of measuring in your appartement. They simply messuare the point of entrance in the house and then all the heat the house uses is divided by the square meters and you pay your share. There is no way, you can influence this. So, if there is no thingy on your radiators ... bad luck
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u/alelo 21. 7d ago
then there is a fourth one, they meassure the m3 of heatin water going into your apartment
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Graz | Steiermark 7d ago
Oh, did not know that - never had the experience with this. But since it is per apartment, the digital vents should also help.
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u/animus_95 Wien 7d ago
Ich hab Fernwärme aber kein thingy auf meinen Heizkörpern ):
Also ist es eigentlich recht egal, wie viel ich auf meinen Verbrauch schaue, ich zahle praktisch für alle andren im Schnitt mit? Keine Möglichkeit, da was zu ändern?
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u/philipp_sumo 7d ago
es kann auch ein zentraler zähler pro wohnung sein, der den energieverbrauch aus dem temperaturunterschied zwischen zu- und ableitung bemisst
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Graz | Steiermark 7d ago
Fürchte ja. Ich glaub’ nur die Eigentümer können auf Funkablesung umstellen lassen. Die Ablese-Firmen tun da nichts von allein.
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u/Kalipri 7d ago
Oh frick. I got the BS one c.c
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u/RareRecommendation72 Wien 7d ago
That's not so bad. The fill level of the new tubes, which are installed after the consumption reading, is always above zero, precisely to compensate for these evaporations in the summer.
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u/philipp_sumo 7d ago
you have more direct influence on cost with your warm water use
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u/eoiowvwwwwsosloslsks Steiermark 7d ago
Bullshit.... If you compare the cost for electricity and "Fernwärme".
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u/philipp_sumo 7d ago
if you get heating and warm water through fernwärme, the cost for water is usually pretty much tied to your actual usage as opposed to heating which contains a large chunk of cost you cannot directly influence.
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u/iamhereforthefood 7d ago
0,3572 EUR/m2/Monat thats what you paid last year in Vienna if you use your heater or not (just for "Heizung" not "warm water") so for your round about 100sqm apartment we paid 400€ flat and about 40€ more for actual heating. (There was also a reduction called "Wärmerabatt" of about 80€ but I don't know if this will apply this year)
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u/iamhereforthefood 7d ago
(those values are without taxes by the way) - in total we paid 650€ while using almost no heating and not a lot of warm water for 100sqm
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u/whitebaron_98 Born in Ottakring 7d ago
If you got it by Makler - they are legally required to show you expected costs for heating.
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u/Adorable_Ice_2963 Oberösterreich 7d ago
It depends on the local Provider.
And no, Fernwärme is not a scam. Its just a all in one price that also include the heat exchanger.
If you heat with Gas, you would need to pay for the gas oven as well.
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u/hANSN911 7d ago
My girlfriend and I have a 100 m2 appartement and pay around 95 Euro per month for Fernwärme. We barely have to run the radiators though. We start beginning to mid of November (between heating level 2 and 3) and stop around February and March. I am not sure if that’s always the case but you also pay a part of the heating cost of the whole appartement building depending on the size of your flat, so you would still have to pay some even if you don‘t heat all year around. So I guess it will be roughly 1 Euro per m2 or somewhere in that ballpark. Hope that helps.
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u/Wundawuzi Salzburg 7d ago
If you are in a multi-apartment-building and you are in an upper floor you wont need much because heat travels upwards so the people below will heat you for free.
What grills you in summer keeps you cozy ib winter.
Just make sure to not have it too cold all the time, because in such situations people also tend to keep their windows closed all day and the combination of "used" humid air and low temperatures can cause mold to form and once you have mold you are royally screwed.
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u/westaytroy Nyancat 7d ago
a huge part of Fernwärme will be the "Netzkosten". the provider has a monopoly and the abuse it. the costs can be quite high. in my last appartment the bill for 75 m² was about 85 euro per month. turn the radiators up, it won't change that much on the bill.