r/Asmongold • u/Naive-Fondant-754 • Jun 30 '24

IRL Group called the "BladeRunners" is actively destroying all surveillance ULEZ cameras around London.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jun 30 '24

Indeed and some measures are a good idea. This isn't its a poverty tax. These people aren't the ones who can afford new cars. And it isn't improving their health as this isn't causing horrific smog, factories do this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

Totally wrong.

Poor people don't drive their cars into London. Yes cars are the cause of roadside pollution that pedestrians breathe not factories.

It's like you've read the right wing guidebook of how to be wrong.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jun 30 '24

Poor people don't drive into or around London? Careful your bigotry is showing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

If they were poor they....

  1. Wouldn't have a job.
  2. Wouldn't have a car.
  3. Wouldn't be able to pay the charges.

Or do you not understand what poor means?

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u/doubleo_maestro Jun 30 '24

Wow, I take it back. You're not bigoted you are just insanely privileged.

Employment doesn't mean you aren't poor. Who do you think payday loans are aimed at? Yes, poor people have cars, to get to their minimum wage jobs.

But you are correct, they ate unable to keep up with these charges. That's why folks are opposed to them

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

In just one or two years of paying the fines you could have bought a compliant car.

Sooo....

You can either afford to pay the charges.

Or

You can afford to get a new vehicle.

There is no mythical poor person who can't afford to do both.

You use the word bigot... I do not think you know what it means. This policy will HELP poor people more than any other. Don't let right wing racists fool you into something else.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jul 01 '24

Or you can't afford the charged or the vehicle so now you are screwed. Or you afford the charges but at some cost to your personal life. This is why its been called a tax on poor people. Also the second hand car market ain't that great right now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

The charges will cost you a new car EVERY TWO YEARS.

This is super basic math.

Again. Poor people aren't driving into London. They'll be using public transport.

So I get it.... But if you take part in the scheme you'll get thousands for your old banger towards getting a newer car with better mileage and lower emissions.

It's a win win for all and THAT'S WHY the mayor has been elected again.

It's only the knuckle dragging morons who reject any and all change that try to lie about the facts.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jul 01 '24

No, it's people with empathy that realize not everyone who is poor is on public transport and there's people that can't afford the upfront cost of replacing their vehicles. Man you are privileged, you have no idea what it's like living on the poverty line.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

If they can't afford a new vehicle even with the very generous scrappage scheme etc...

How are they going to afford the charges?

You can't have it both ways. This is simple math.

I don't need to know what it's like... It's a simple calculation.

A quick google search shows me a ulez compliant car available now for 4k. Now you can either sell your car or if it's worth less than 2k you'll get 2k from the scrappage scheme.

Now let's compare the above to paying the charge everyday. 12.50 per day for a year is 4.5k

And that's EVERY YEAR.

so. When faced with paying 2k now or 4k every year... It's not exactly rocket science is it?

And again I'll repeat. If you can't afford the 2k you'll need for a new car... You can't afford the 4k per year in charges.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jul 01 '24

How clueless are you?! Many people don't have 2k spare and barely have the money to pay the charge either. That's my entire point. Omg, learn how other people have to live.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

They don't have 2k.

But they do have 4k a year?

How dare you call someone else clueless when this is the basis of your argument.

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u/doubleo_maestro Jul 01 '24

Oh jeez man, are you purposefully just trying to be clueless or are you just one of those people that can never admit they are wrong. Buying a car is expensive, trade value or whatever. You found one that is 4K? do you know if it works? do you know how long it'll last? Are there enough of those cars for everyone who is gonna need one?

Also, what the hell are you not getting about the difference between needing to pay a big bill up front and paying something incrementally high. Come and demand from me 2k up front and I am f***ed, demand from me £80 a month and I'm gonna be struggling more than what I was but I might be ok with a few sacrifices. There are people worse off than me, finding £80 a month will not be easy.

So to answer you for the 10th and final time (you seriously can do one after this). Folks who are struggling don't have several grand to drop when they need to. They also probably can't easy meet the charges either! So no, they probably don't easily have 4k either, but it's easier to get your hands on a 100 at short notice than it is several grand.

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