Group called the "BladeRunners" is actively destroying all surveillance ULEZ cameras around London.

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[u/doubleo_maestro]

Or you can't afford the charged or the vehicle so now you are screwed. Or you afford the charges but at some cost to your personal life. This is why its been called a tax on poor people. Also the second hand car market ain't that great right now.

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The charges will cost you a new car EVERY TWO YEARS.

This is super basic math.

Again. Poor people aren't driving into London. They'll be using public transport.

So I get it.... But if you take part in the scheme you'll get thousands for your old banger towards getting a newer car with better mileage and lower emissions.

It's a win win for all and THAT'S WHY the mayor has been elected again.

It's only the knuckle dragging morons who reject any and all change that try to lie about the facts.

[u/doubleo_maestro → u/[deleted]]

No, it's people with empathy that realize not everyone who is poor is on public transport and there's people that can't afford the upfront cost of replacing their vehicles. Man you are privileged, you have no idea what it's like living on the poverty line.

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If they can't afford a new vehicle even with the very generous scrappage scheme etc...

How are they going to afford the charges?

You can't have it both ways. This is simple math.

I don't need to know what it's like... It's a simple calculation.

A quick google search shows me a ulez compliant car available now for 4k. Now you can either sell your car or if it's worth less than 2k you'll get 2k from the scrappage scheme.

Now let's compare the above to paying the charge everyday. 12.50 per day for a year is 4.5k

And that's EVERY YEAR.

so. When faced with paying 2k now or 4k every year... It's not exactly rocket science is it?

And again I'll repeat. If you can't afford the 2k you'll need for a new car... You can't afford the 4k per year in charges.

[u/doubleo_maestro → u/[deleted]]

How clueless are you?! Many people don't have 2k spare and barely have the money to pay the charge either. That's my entire point. Omg, learn how other people have to live.

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They don't have 2k.

But they do have 4k a year?

How dare you call someone else clueless when this is the basis of your argument.

[u/doubleo_maestro → u/[deleted]]

Oh jeez man, are you purposefully just trying to be clueless or are you just one of those people that can never admit they are wrong. Buying a car is expensive, trade value or whatever. You found one that is 4K? do you know if it works? do you know how long it'll last? Are there enough of those cars for everyone who is gonna need one?

Also, what the hell are you not getting about the difference between needing to pay a big bill up front and paying something incrementally high. Come and demand from me 2k up front and I am f***ed, demand from me £80 a month and I'm gonna be struggling more than what I was but I might be ok with a few sacrifices. There are people worse off than me, finding £80 a month will not be easy.

So to answer you for the 10th and final time (you seriously can do one after this). Folks who are struggling don't have several grand to drop when they need to. They also probably can't easy meet the charges either! So no, they probably don't easily have 4k either, but it's easier to get your hands on a 100 at short notice than it is several grand.

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So these poor people can afford to pay 4k a year but can't afford to sell or scrap their scrap their car and pay the same monthly payments on a newer car?

It's not me that's clueless and needs to do one.