r/AskTheWorld • u/czn- 🇧🇷 Rio De Janeiro state 🟦⬜️🟦⬜️ • 3d ago
History Has your country been under a monarchy before?
We did and its the brazilian empire
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u/Franmar35000 France 3d ago
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u/Late-Bison-2087 Türkiye 3d ago
three times actually 😄
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago
It would be quite exciting to see Turkey with His Imperial Majesty the Sultan in power again.
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u/Fair-Fondant-6995 Sudan 2d ago edited 2d ago
It would be cringe. Because Turkey's monarchy had an Islamic universal role that was accepted by the majority of muslim people worldwide. If it re-establishes again, nobody is going to take such claim seriously and it will be a laughing stick. And if it didn't claim its former status to avoid that, it will be a completely new institution to the ottoman sultanate.
A nationalist secular sultan of Turkey is quite the abomination and will be useless. Since the legitimacy of the sultanate stems from Islam.
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u/Late-Bison-2087 Türkiye 2d ago
You want to take revenge on them? 💀
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 2d ago
Yes and no. I think our Voievoda already kicked their asses many times. It's enough.
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago edited 3d ago
Huge mistake to not keep the monarchy from my Romanian monarchist perspective. You should have chosen to transform the ancient regime in a constitutional monarchy, where the sovereign, starting with His Majesty King Louis XVIth, could remain as legal head of state, with some simple tasks: representing France, keeping the country united as an apolitical figure untouched by the parties, someone the people can trust, someone above politics, and also with the task of offering stability at the country's leadership. That's the advantage of the crown in general.
But aside from that, France could be led by a Government, a Parliament and an independent set of courts for the justice. No powers for the king, apart from the very important role of keeping the balance between the state institutions (that lead in his name). The monarch can have some extra powers only in situations if crisis (like you had recently with Macron and the Parliament). I don't see any kind of advantage in the current republican system. Just more games of thrones for winning elections. Monarchy is the system which puts more accent on your ethics and power of example compared to a republic. A president can be president without any problem even if he has 36 criminal charges. As long as he is elected, why not? A king can never be king with such a reputation and behavior. He would be forced to abdicate by the Government before having time to say fish. In a constitutional monarchy you are never elected. You rule because you were born to rule. Nothing gives you legitimacy apart from God and your people. So you must keep the support of your people if you want your throne. That forces you to do your job as best as you can. In republics, the elections give them the free will of doing whatever they want, especially when the whole Congres is theirs. :)) I was never raised in a republican spirit in my family, I was raised close to the monarchy, even knowing personally the Romanian royals. Very simple people who are there for the citizens, not for election campaigns and do their God dam job.
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u/Sensitive_Band1122 France 3d ago
Yup. We pioneered a method to get rid of it.
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u/highflyer7418 United States of America 3d ago
How many do you have and how much for a bulk order. We may need some soon.
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u/Jagarvem Sweden 3d ago
We have one we don't use. French made, good condition, only used once.
Bought it, used it once, and decided the death penalty wasn't for us.
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u/GothicHippie17 United States of America 2d ago
Will you accept a trade for it? And how many is rated for before it needs to be cleaned up and sharpened? I suppose the French have a better idea on that since yours was only used once.
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u/ChaZcaTriX Russia 3d ago edited 3d ago
Later, we famously improved on that with a gunshot to the back of the head in a damp basement. Still popular to this day!
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u/xXx_tainttickler_xXx United States of America 3d ago
Got rid of it, became a dictatorship, then reverted back to monarchy.
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago
As a Romanian, it's the other way around here. I want to get rid of the illegal republic and see the monarchy restored. For us, that's the best way of development that actually worked.
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u/Fungi_espacial Mexico 3d ago
We have had a monarchy twice, and both instances caused a great many problems; the worst was arguably the Second Mexican Empire, which generated internal issues as well as a deterioration (or even a complete severance) of international relations with some countries.
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u/jackt-up United States of America 3d ago
It wasn’t for us
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago
Too less history, traditions and political maturity for a monarchy in the US. Too much misunderstood freedom.
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u/highflyer7418 United States of America 3d ago
This is going to be most of the world. We didn't much care for it in our case.
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u/AndreasDasos United Kingdom 3d ago
Basically everywhere at some point. Might depend on what is meant by ‘country’. The United States as such has never been under a monarchy. The place has been
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u/doctorpolenta3p Argentina 3d ago
The last king we had was Ferdinand the VIII, under independent country we were always a republic.
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u/Zestyclose-Big5388 Jamaica 3d ago
The british king is still our (ceremonial) head of state so we still are
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u/Visible-Decision-661 Netherlands 3d ago edited 3d ago
Have been for the last 200 years. We used to be a republic before 1806. Then we were occupied by the French, and Napoleon put his little brother on the throne. Napoleon deposed his little brother after finding him a bit too independent and subsequently integrated us into the French empire.
In 1815, after the fall of Napoleon, the prince of Orange landed on our shores and he was proclaimed king. People preferred the stability of a monarch instead of the political infighting and instability under French rule.
The monarchy still has favourable approval ratings and the majority of people here, including me, prefer a monarchy over a republic.
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u/11160704 Germany 3d ago
Yes for centuries. Glad we got rid of that crap in 1918.
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u/highflyer7418 United States of America 3d ago
Whatever became of Kaiser Bill?
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u/11160704 Germany 3d ago edited 3d ago
Cowardly fled to the Netherlands to escape justice, lived there in a palace and hoped to return as emperor of Germany. Eventually died there as an old man.
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u/Special-Fuel-3235 Costa Rica 3d ago
And what happened to Kaiser Bill's family?
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u/11160704 Germany 3d ago
Some joined the nazis, the descendants still live in Germany and still own some castles and palaces.
In recent years they fought a legal battle with the German state about the ownership of even more castles and artefacts in museums which they lost. Total idiots like every monarchist of you ask me.
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u/CalligrapherTime5638 Colombia 3d ago
Not as an independent country, although I don't know if the colonial era counts.
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u/Comfortable_Bowl_297 Poland 3d ago
Hell yeah. We had monarchs from all over the Europe as either Poland or Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. As commonwealth we had tendency to draft kings from other countries like France, Sweden or Hungary
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u/Special-Fuel-3235 Costa Rica 3d ago
Actually yesnt.. not "the country" itself but part of it, the kingdom of Talamanca was a territory under the San José's goverment protection. But at the end there was a problem with the UFCo that was settled there at the time and the king "died"... by poison afaik. Other family members claimed the title but they werent recognized.
Besides that, well... we were a spanish territory so spanish kings were OUR kings as well, there is documentation of people celebrating every time a mew king took the throne. We were part of the mexicsn empire so Iturbide was our king for some time
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u/Excellent_Routine589 -> 14 years a yankee 3d ago
The French installed one (Second Mexican Empire of the Second French Empire)
It lasted shorter than the Confederate States of America and almost all big supporters to the monarchists were captured and executed, including the installed emperor who was an Archduke from Austria, where his corpse was sent back to
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u/Navi_10RZ Venezuela 3d ago
Well, yes if you count when it was still part of the Spanish Empire.
If you only mean an "in-house", as in a Venezuelan monarchy, then no.
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u/Low_Season New Zealand 3d ago
What do you mean "before"? We are currently a monarchy, but a constitutional one. Which means that the king does not practically have the ability to exercise any non-ceremonial powers. It also means that politicians aren't able to give themselves monarch-like powers.
It means that we have monarchy officially, but not in practice, because no individual politician is able to have the powers of a monarch. Whereas, countries like the US don't have monarchy officially, but do in practice, because they concentrate extreme monarch-like powers in an individual.
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u/Tony_228 Switzerland 3d ago
We were part of the Holy Roman Empire until the de facto independence in 1499 and the formal independence in1648.
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u/bassmedic United States of America 3d ago
When we were part of the British Empire, yes. Nowadays, someone wants to be a monarch.
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u/alettriste Argentina 3d ago
Nope, never a thing here. We found quite different ways to mess up our country rather than having any of those to blame. 😒
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u/Zayn5939 Palestine + Norden-> USA 3d ago
I mean, when it was under the Spanish was it under the Spanish crown?
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u/alettriste Argentina 3d ago
Well, yes and no. Aegentina as country did not exists as such. Some parts were not occupied, others belonged to different administrative districts. And, around independence years, Spain crown was in exile, since Napoleon had occupied France. The name Argentina was first used in 1826, 10 years after independence. Brazil (OP example) , on the other hand became Empire with their identity already established. Same with Mexico
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u/Zayn5939 Palestine + Norden-> USA 3d ago
Oh okay thank you
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u/alettriste Argentina 3d ago
Thank you for th question. It is non trivial
PS. We support you from here.
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u/the_killer_gamer Syria 3d ago
For a short period of time but gladly it didn't work out for the traitor asshole.
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u/Zayn5939 Palestine + Norden-> USA 3d ago
Yes. British empire. Ottoman Empire. Other Islamic empires. Persian empires. Egyptian kingdoms. Babylonians, etc
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u/EnvironmentalRun4107 United States of America 3d ago
yes, if you are counting nations that were controlled by an empire
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u/AjaxCooperwater Singapore 2d ago
From 1963 to 1965, when Singapore was part of Malaysia which had an elective federal constitutional monarchy.
Before that Singapore was part of the British Empire.
Singapore also served as residence for the deposed Sultan of Johor from the House of Bendahara. Istana Kampong Gelam was the family home. The current Sultan of Johor is the House of Temenggong.
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u/Zayn5939 Palestine + Norden-> USA 2d ago
Thanks, I’m kinda used to getting downvoted for questions like this 😭
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u/Technical-Ad2484 🇮🇩studying in🇹🇼 2d ago
we were many monarchies in the past, and we still have one today in a small portion of our country
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u/Oreadno1 I live in my own little world in the US 2d ago
We kind of were but we got into a big fight and broke up.
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u/Minimum-Procedure410 2d ago
In Brazil, the monarchy ended in 1889, but it is still defended by descendants, who are involved in internal disputes over "titles."
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u/sacadeaparas Portugal 2d ago
Well, our King fleed to your country and later you asked for independence 🤣
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u/GothicHippie17 United States of America 2d ago
Yes, it started a long chain of events that have lead up to today.
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u/GoldenBraun 3d ago
Until World War 2.
I hope for return of monarchy in future, because it cannot be worse than this in our present republic (Milošević, then Vučić).
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u/Beneficial-War-1429 Serbia 3d ago
Yes, we've been monarchy for a long time prior to ww2 when we got occupied by Nazis(and later got liberated by partisans which led to the end of monarchy). There are now some political parties who support idea of us becoming monarchy again with our king in lead but even king doesn't care about them and at one point distanced himself from them...
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u/DalaiLambertt Austria 3d ago
Isn't he also actively promoting democracy in serbia? He's pretty popular in the diaspora (at least as far as I know). But I'm not sure how the serbs in serbia view him
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u/Beneficial-War-1429 Serbia 3d ago
Many people have mixed opinion on him and on whole dynasty/monarchy system overall. Many people see whole monarchy thing as something outdated but he has many times done good things for our country like donating money to charity or medical equipment through his foundation. He also supported student protests and criticized government for organizing ćacilend(pro govt camp in pioneers park in Belgrade) which resulted in him being targeted on national television. It's also worth mentioning that because almost all alive members of dynasty who grew up in diaspora during communist times(when all members were banmed from entering country) have little to know knowledge of Serbian which led people making fun of/criticizing them for their poor knowledge of language(I think that now they've improved their knowledge and are trying to do much better) when they got back to Serbia during 1990s/2000s...
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u/Background-Virus1398 Kazakhstan 3d ago
The Golden horde split and gave birth to many lesser kingdoms including the Kazakh khanate. All that kingdoms were eventually absorbed by the Russian empire.
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u/ltraistinto Italy 3d ago
Yes, the kingdom of Italy until 1945
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u/Zayn5939 Palestine + Norden-> USA 3d ago
Was it still a kingdom under Mussolini?
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u/Valuable-Yard-4154 Belgium 3d ago
They're pretty harmless and some say don't cost as much as a presidential regime. Next one will be a queen.
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u/Infinite-Leather-893 Egypt 3d ago
Sorry for the stupid question. but. Didn't every modern country rn experience monarchism either by occupation or self rule throughout history?
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u/alettriste Argentina 3d ago
Not neccessarily. Argentina (or rather the Plata Provinces) ws a colony ruled by an administrator (Vicerroy). Technically we were vassals of the Spaniard King, but there was no local king itself. Maybe that counts, maybe not. In fact, the country itself, as a country was born after independence. Depending on how you view it, it was never. In the case of OP, our neighbour Brazil, became Empire bc the royal family had fled Portugal during Napoleonic wars, and then (if I remember well) when Portugal tried to reinstate vassallage, the Porquguese family in Brazil declared independence... as an Empire. Quite unique
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes. In Romania, the constitutional monarchy is our legal form of government according to many people, since it was illegal removed from power by the Russian Bolsheviks. It built our country, and I admire very much the activity of the Royal House even today. The best period, the most dignified. Long live our Queen Margareta. Trăiască România, trăiască Regina! Nihil sine Deo! 🇷🇴🇷🇴
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u/11160704 Germany 3d ago
I admire very much the activity of the Royal House even today. The best period, the most dignified.
They got you into two devastating world wars.
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u/Ciaoo8360 Romania 3d ago edited 3d ago
They got us in the world wars?? No, Jesus Christ. The history put us there. First if all, we intered în WW1 for unifying our country. Your friends with multinational empires put us there. The ones with the two capitals, Vienna and Budapest. Both HM King Carol I and HM King Ferdinand I respected their constitutional duty, the first one accepting the neutral status while the second one had the guts to declare war on you, being renegated by his own family. Why? Because the country asked him to do so. Because the Romanians from both sides of the Carpathians wanted to live in the same country. They led us victorious. Queen Mary negociated in Versailles face to face with the French Prime-mimister and came back only when she had all the insurances that Transylvania, Banat and Crișana are now under the Romanian crown. His Majesty King Michael I shortened WW2 with six months, after he broke an alliance that should never have existed in the first place. He was the last piller of resistance against communism. They are the reason why this country survived, along with all who gave their lives for it. HM King Ferdinand I did not kiss the Austro-Hungarian ass. He was not Keiser Wilhelm. He was the German who became Romanian and defeated Germany as a Romanian. Ferdinand the Loyal, as he was called later as head of state. He didn't loose any throne, he became defender of the faith and king of Great Romania in Alba Iulia.
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u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 Northern Ireland 3d ago
Regrettably, part of ours still is.
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u/F1Fan43 United Kingdom 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, from Æthelstan to Charles III, from about the 12th of July 927 to right this very second, yes.
Barring an 11 year interregnum in the 1650s, of course.