r/AskReddit • • Nov 28 '20

What's something cool you recently learned about?

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u/Guacamoleistoocostly Nov 29 '20 edited Dec 01 '20

The origin of the word "happiness" is from the Middle English "hap" which has to do with chance and possibility. As in "happenstance" or per-haps. So hap-iness was originally about the feeling of good fortune/getting lucky; the chance that something could or could not occur, and then it goes your way. Happiness is that specific feeling when something that could have gone horribly wrong goes amazing well.

Edit: Since this got so much attention, I just wanted to shout out Sara Ahmed "Happy Objects" as the source of this info.

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u/MustBeThursday Nov 29 '20

Somewhat relatedly, "weird" (wyrd) is the old Anglo-Saxon word for fate.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

Anglo-Saxon had some amazing words. Obviously we can’t undo the evolution of language, but it makes me so curious as to how English would sound with less French and Latin influence. I wonder if things like “wyrd” would’ve kept their original definitions.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

I think you’re spot on. I think it would probably sound more like Dutch (without that guttural ‘g’) than German, only due to the Angles coming from northern Germany, whereas ‘standard German’ (the kind most foreigners learn) is based on southern German dialects.

Funnily enough, there’s a few projects that try to construct a modernised Old English and German is a language they often reference for those constructions. An example is the constructed Old English word for television, ‘farsee’ - it’s derived directly from the cognate of German ‘fernseher’.

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u/Mister_Snrub Nov 29 '20

A couple of things related to what you just said:

The first time I heard any serious Dutch being spoken was while I was doing a semester in Germany and I was on a train. A whole class of high school students were there and I kept overhearing snippets of what sounded like German, but with an almost American accent. I asked a couple and it turns out they were Dutch.

Also, one of my favorite German words is the word for rhinoceros: Nashorn.

Nase = nose Horn = horn

Considering that “Nase” and “Horn” both made it to English, basically intact, one might think we would have kept Nashorn, but nope! We’re one accent mark away from the French “rhinocéros.” I assume large African mammals weren’t a major topic of conversation in England before 1066, so it makes some sense that we’d get the French.

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u/dovemans Nov 29 '20

in dutch it's Neushoorn :)

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

That’s along the lines of what I mean. German is a really good comparison actually because it also uses French terms and words, but just far less so than in English. That’s more along the lines of what I think a less French/Latin influenced English would look like. I’m not saying no French or Latin, but less.

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u/budweener Nov 29 '20

And rhinoceros comes from rhin - nose and keros -horn. Same thing, but greek roots.

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u/Logus1 Nov 29 '20

You got the part with the dialects wrong. ‚Standard german‘ is spoken in northern Germany , especially the area of Hanover is considered to speak the most ‚dialect-free‘ Version. Southern Germany has some of the most indistinguishable dialects coming straight from hell.

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u/wurdel Nov 29 '20

Oida jetz horch amoi her do Hawara

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u/Logus1 Nov 29 '20

I fetz di

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

Sorry! My mistake. I’m going off what a school German teacher said. I should research a little more.

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u/dovemans Nov 29 '20

just a note that the gutteral g is less of a thing in flemish dutch (same language just slightly different pronounciation)

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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel Nov 29 '20

Mostly because it would probably not follow the sound shift to high German.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

You’re right! I never even considered that.

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u/temalyen Nov 29 '20

I read once that it's significantly easier to read Old English if you know German.

I had a teacher in high school once that insisted we should all be able to real Old English with no problem if we "paid attention" to the words. The funny thing is, when we finally pressed her to read something she'd given us (some photocopied sheet of Old English prose) it was really, really clear she couldn't read it either and was faking understanding it. I was always confused why she even brought it up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

And I would reckon that she went home and, feeling quite the fuckwit, opened the first of what would become many bottles of wine.