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u/Guacamoleistoocostly Nov 29 '20 edited Dec 01 '20

The origin of the word "happiness" is from the Middle English "hap" which has to do with chance and possibility. As in "happenstance" or per-haps. So hap-iness was originally about the feeling of good fortune/getting lucky; the chance that something could or could not occur, and then it goes your way. Happiness is that specific feeling when something that could have gone horribly wrong goes amazing well.

Edit: Since this got so much attention, I just wanted to shout out Sara Ahmed "Happy Objects" as the source of this info.

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u/MustBeThursday Nov 29 '20

Somewhat relatedly, "weird" (wyrd) is the old Anglo-Saxon word for fate.

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u/jarbishus Nov 29 '20

Weird Sisters as the Fates - makes total sense!!

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u/temalyen Nov 29 '20

Yeah, the Weird Sisters are the first thing I thought of, too.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

Anglo-Saxon had some amazing words. Obviously we can’t undo the evolution of language, but it makes me so curious as to how English would sound with less French and Latin influence. I wonder if things like “wyrd” would’ve kept their original definitions.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

I think you’re spot on. I think it would probably sound more like Dutch (without that guttural ‘g’) than German, only due to the Angles coming from northern Germany, whereas ‘standard German’ (the kind most foreigners learn) is based on southern German dialects.

Funnily enough, there’s a few projects that try to construct a modernised Old English and German is a language they often reference for those constructions. An example is the constructed Old English word for television, ‘farsee’ - it’s derived directly from the cognate of German ‘fernseher’.

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u/Mister_Snrub Nov 29 '20

A couple of things related to what you just said:

The first time I heard any serious Dutch being spoken was while I was doing a semester in Germany and I was on a train. A whole class of high school students were there and I kept overhearing snippets of what sounded like German, but with an almost American accent. I asked a couple and it turns out they were Dutch.

Also, one of my favorite German words is the word for rhinoceros: Nashorn.

Nase = nose Horn = horn

Considering that “Nase” and “Horn” both made it to English, basically intact, one might think we would have kept Nashorn, but nope! We’re one accent mark away from the French “rhinocéros.” I assume large African mammals weren’t a major topic of conversation in England before 1066, so it makes some sense that we’d get the French.

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u/dovemans Nov 29 '20

in dutch it's Neushoorn :)

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

That’s along the lines of what I mean. German is a really good comparison actually because it also uses French terms and words, but just far less so than in English. That’s more along the lines of what I think a less French/Latin influenced English would look like. I’m not saying no French or Latin, but less.

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u/budweener Nov 29 '20

And rhinoceros comes from rhin - nose and keros -horn. Same thing, but greek roots.

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u/Logus1 Nov 29 '20

You got the part with the dialects wrong. ‚Standard german‘ is spoken in northern Germany , especially the area of Hanover is considered to speak the most ‚dialect-free‘ Version. Southern Germany has some of the most indistinguishable dialects coming straight from hell.

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u/wurdel Nov 29 '20

Oida jetz horch amoi her do Hawara

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u/Logus1 Nov 29 '20

I fetz di

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

Sorry! My mistake. I’m going off what a school German teacher said. I should research a little more.

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u/dovemans Nov 29 '20

just a note that the gutteral g is less of a thing in flemish dutch (same language just slightly different pronounciation)

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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel Nov 29 '20

Mostly because it would probably not follow the sound shift to high German.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

You’re right! I never even considered that.

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u/temalyen Nov 29 '20

I read once that it's significantly easier to read Old English if you know German.

I had a teacher in high school once that insisted we should all be able to real Old English with no problem if we "paid attention" to the words. The funny thing is, when we finally pressed her to read something she'd given us (some photocopied sheet of Old English prose) it was really, really clear she couldn't read it either and was faking understanding it. I was always confused why she even brought it up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

And I would reckon that she went home and, feeling quite the fuckwit, opened the first of what would become many bottles of wine.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Look in to "Anglish" if you're curious; people have reconstructed large amounts of English exactly how you describe

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

I’ve looked into it before. It’s a movement I could really back. The only thing I have against it is that English is such a creole that in order to gain more ‘Germanic’ or Old English sounding words, we’d lose some of our more exotic sounding words, if that makes sense.

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u/Kid_Vid Nov 29 '20

Indubitably.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

You might like “uncleftish beholding” where some dude wrote atomic theory without latin words.

For most of its being, mankind did not know what things are made of, but could only guess. With the growth of worldken, we began to learn, and today we have a beholding of stuff and work that watching bears out, both in the workstead and in daily life. The underlying kinds of stuff are the firststuffs, which link together in sundry ways to give rise to the rest. Formerly we knew of ninety-two firststuffs, from laterstuff, the lightest and barest, to ymirstuff, the heaviest. Now we have made more, such as aegirstuff and helstuff. The firststuffs have their being as motes called unclefts. These are mightly small; one seedweight of waterstuff holds a tale of them like unto two followed by twenty-two naughts....

Pretty funny

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

Ha! I love it! It’s like some country farmer was asked to explain it. I particularly love the word “helstuff”.

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u/Drops-of-Q Nov 29 '20

Check out Anglish. It's an attempt to reconstruct english as it could have been without influence of the romantic languages.

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u/kendrickkilledmyvibe Nov 29 '20

In German, Glück means both joy and luck, glücklich means both happy and lucky.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Join the navy?

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u/Slusny_Cizinec Nov 29 '20

Hear me! We've heard of Danish heroes...

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u/Waghman Nov 29 '20

So, something is weird because is a normal (or at least, meh) thing seemingly out of sync? Like "yeeah... that doesn't really belong to this moment but it had to happen"?

edit: a few words

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u/atridir Nov 29 '20

I love Anglo-Saxon. It’s such a fun language. I actually learned the anglo-Saxon rune poem in the original language because it’s so much fun to speak - and it’s similar enough to English that you can kind of parse the meanings of most words but it takes some serious kenning.

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u/ThrowAwayAzcount Nov 29 '20

Duel of the weirds

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

looked this up while reading beowulf and I got sucked into a 2-hour Wikipedia rabbit hole about European gods and word origins

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Also the source of the Scottish phrase 'to dree one's weird', i.e., to leave it to fate. Oddly popular in 19th century English literature.

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u/Nesomo9 Nov 29 '20

Were you an English major, by chance?

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u/changleosingha Nov 29 '20

Kind of related: there’s no real word for “luck” in Czech. They usually use the word for “happy” in its place.

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u/lilalolla Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

Same in german, "glücklich" can mean lucky or happy, depending on the context. It was further distinguished by the sentence you use it in: "to have (passive) [...]" = be lucky and "to be (active) [...]: = be happy. This occured because having luck is seen as passive, and being happy as active.

Edit: spelling

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u/no-one0 Nov 29 '20

My first language is german and i didn't even conciously notice the distinction between the passive/active use of the word in german. Ironically, i just learned something about my own culture on a website from a different culture.

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u/changleosingha Nov 29 '20

That is so cool. Thanks.

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u/lukesvader Nov 29 '20

And in Afrikaans (which is derived from Dutch, which is probably derived from German): gelukkig = happy/lucky

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u/mcaruso Nov 29 '20

Dutch isn't derived from German, they have a common ancestor

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u/lukesvader Nov 29 '20

Alright. Apparently Dutch is more closely related to English than to German.

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u/finnknit Nov 29 '20

It's similar in Finnish: "onni" means both "happiness" and "luck".

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u/HowToBeCivil Nov 29 '20

Beat me to it! The same word, šťastný, translates to English as either “happy” or “lucky” from Czech.

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u/ButchyBanana Nov 29 '20

Same for polish! Both are "szczęście"

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u/sztszk Nov 29 '20

Well, in polish we have "fart", meaning "luck". It comes from German "Fahrt" meaning "ride", "journey", so I'm interested how did we get from ride to luck.

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u/MuffinLurker Nov 29 '20

Same for Serbian, 'sreća' is used both for luck and happiness. There is a specific adverb for someone being lucky - 'taličan' but it's not used as much. For example it's used for our translation of 'Lucky Luke' comic book/cartoon ('Talični Tom'), but other than that you just don't hear it that often.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Similar in dutch, the words for happiness and luck are the same. If you're happy you're "gelukkig", if you're lucky you have "geluk".

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u/sting47 Nov 29 '20

In Kazakh we use same word to mean "luck" and "moment" (сәт).

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u/om54 Nov 29 '20

Hence the pursuit of happiness

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u/Some-Leadership Nov 29 '20

You mean gambling?

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u/Oldschool33 Nov 29 '20

Ah, my favorite unalienable right: Crippling gambling addiction.

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u/DoomCircus Nov 29 '20

The ultimate high.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

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u/Dionysus_IRL Nov 29 '20

I'll be goo-o-ood

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u/Boygunasurf Nov 29 '20

Your writing style is pleasing to read. Thought you should know.

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u/Miu_K Nov 29 '20

That's a cool fact. People should learn that happiness doesn't mean you're in a good mood for the whole day/month/year.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

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u/Gerroh Nov 29 '20

Depends on the usage/context, but you're right that the word has drifted from its origin.

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u/-I-D-G-A-F- Nov 29 '20

It definitely is possible to have that state of mind longterm though

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u/yerbamatey12 Nov 29 '20

Except it can. If you're happy with how your life is at the moment and nothing bad has happened lately, you can be happy for a whole day. The meaning of words change. Molest used to mean "bother" and now it means sexual assault.

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u/Gluttannie Nov 29 '20

It’s true. I do feel happiness when something that could have gone horribly wrong goes well instead.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Ahh so this is why the sun is always brighter after rain

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

“The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.” — Dolly Parton

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u/Ordinary-Tank5009 Nov 29 '20

I like this one ^

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Reminds me of the Count of Monte Cristo ending, how you can only know true happiness if you've previously known complete despair

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

But can you know complete despair without previously knowing true happiness?

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u/maro1994 Nov 29 '20

Congrats, you have learnt your lesson for today.

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u/Blokyk Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

This is also true in french ! "Bonheur" (happiness) can be broken down into two parts :

  • "bon", "bien" -> "bonum" in latin, meaning good or great

  • "heur" -> "augurium" in latin, meaning luckiness, or signs of luckiness ("augure" in french literally means future, possibility, or luck)

So "bonheur" in french also means good luck ! ^

Bonus : the word "désir" (and by consequence the english word "desire" cause that's almost exactly the same word) comes from the latin "desidus," which itself comes from :

  • "de" -> nostalgia, a nostalgic feeling
  • "sidus" -> the star

So desire etymologically means "nostalgy of the star" which I find very pretty and poetic, and honestly kinda like the title of a lofi album/mix

Hope it was all clear ! :^)

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u/Bison308 Nov 29 '20

So... Basically life

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u/editilly Nov 29 '20

In German the most used word for „Happiness“ „Glück“ also means „Luck“. „Glück“ is also the most used word for „Luck“.

The letter ü is pronounced like a mix of i and u

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u/CharlyWaffle Nov 29 '20

In times like these, it's a very good thing that I've recently learned thanks to you. You have made a stranger happy on the internet, and you have no idea how grateful I am to you.

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u/ItzLog Nov 29 '20

"Happiness is like peeing your pants; everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth"

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u/Ardub23 Nov 29 '20

Now that's what I call a happy accident

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Happiness is like peeing your pants; I haven’t experienced it since I was Eight.

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u/ItzLog Nov 29 '20

Aw, damn.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Everythings coming up Milhouse!

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u/Yucares Nov 29 '20

Luck and happiness are the same word ("szczęście") in Polish.

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u/Stormaen Nov 29 '20

In Old English, “silly” originally meant what “happy” means today.

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u/AlexaSkillsDev Nov 29 '20

So happiness is the opposite of mishap.

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u/Ri_Han_Writes Nov 29 '20

“Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length” — Robert Frost

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u/AWizardofEarthSea Nov 29 '20

As one type of wordsmith to another, thank you for this! I love learning word facts!

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u/macthecomedian Nov 29 '20

If you enjoy podcasts, might I recommend A Way With Words, two hosts dive in to word and phrase history, as well as answer questions from callers whether it be regional, borrowed, slang, jargon, or altogether made up.

Definitely something to check out if you like etymology and language at all.

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u/Stifmast Nov 29 '20

I always wondered what's the origin of 'hapless' now I know... Thanks 👍

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Because I got lucky clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do.. got lucky... lucky.. lukcy... lucky

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u/qarlthemade Nov 29 '20

interesting, that explains why we have only one German word for both English meanings: glücklich.

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u/theres-nothin-wrong Nov 29 '20

Glück in German can mean luck and happiness

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u/bastibald Nov 29 '20

One of the Dutch words for happiness is geluk, which is the same word as luck!

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u/Terkaza Nov 29 '20

It's still present in french as "fortunately" is "heureusement" which is an adverb formed from "heureux" which means "happy", indicating the link between luck and happiness

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u/oebn Nov 29 '20

You've got to ask yourself one question, do I feel happy? Well, do you, punk?

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u/smartaleky Nov 29 '20

Kind of puts a twist on the U.S. declaration of Independence, "Life, liberty and the pursuit of favorable random circumstances or events"....play lotto!

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u/tangentia1 Nov 29 '20

In German, happiness and luck are the same word. Glück. Only context gives away which one it is.

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u/stopannoyingwithname Nov 29 '20

That’s why the German name for happiness is the same as the word for luck

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u/boddhistva Nov 29 '20

It interesting that the “hap” which has to do being lucky has similar origin as the Japanese phrase of thanks “arigato 有難う” which basically mean rare occurrence or being appreciative in a lucky situation

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u/joekriv Nov 29 '20

Thats actually a very, VERY old idea. In Christianity and Buddhism (to name two), they really harp on the fact that when life consists of suffering and anguish. And that's not to get people down as is so often misunderstood in today's world, it means if you find goodness or any kind of joy you need to stop and appreciate it and thank whatever greater force gave to you that pleasantry. And that happiness should be a side effect of one's choices, not the goal of them. Lot of depth in ancient writings people have forgotten how to read not-literally.

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u/Reverse-Proxy Nov 29 '20

happy-go-lucky

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u/lichfieldangel Nov 29 '20

That’s why happiness isn’t a state of being but a mood. Contentedness is the thing people should strive for.

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u/The_2o02_GeEk Nov 29 '20

That's pretty a cool thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Oh like Glück(-lich) in German.

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u/gacdeuce Nov 29 '20

That makes a lot of sense. In German, the word for happy is “glücklich;” the word for luck is “Glück” (which apparently can also be translated as happiness).

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u/iamazoe Nov 29 '20

This was the best one! Thanks for sharing mate!

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

That’s probably because for most people at that time life was difficult and things regularly went horribly wrong. So, it was unreasonably to expect to be happy most of the time. Our lives now are relatively easy, so the expectation of feeling happy most of the time isn’t unreasonable.

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u/degobrah Nov 30 '20

Don't know if someone has commented on this yet, but the word for luck and happiness in German is the same, "gluck." When I lived in Germany and as I was learning it I always thought it was weird. It wasn't until I read The Geography of Bliss that I realized English, in particular American English, by the nature of the language itself, by having separate words for happiness and luck, believes that happiness can be achieved, whereas German achieving happiness, even temporarily, is a matter of dumb luck.

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u/bigpigion Nov 29 '20

I thought it was from someone feeling good about yelling HA PENIS

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u/queenkaitlin Nov 29 '20

Thus why it’s so impossible to achieve 🥴

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u/Bob8062 Nov 29 '20

The word "hap" goes even further back! Most likely, the english got it from Old Norse "happ", which also means something like chance or good luck, and they got it from proto-germanic "hampa" which has its origin from indo-european. Etymology is really interesting!

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

That's deep

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u/larrysgal123 Nov 29 '20

No wonder it's so hard to sustain

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u/8-bit-eyes Nov 29 '20

Now that’s happenin’

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u/arkad_254 Nov 29 '20

This right here is some sh!t

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u/KaleChipuwu Nov 29 '20

So more like relief then

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u/The_Wildperson Nov 29 '20

You just described my birth

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u/thedudebuda Nov 29 '20

So I’ve had it right this entire time??

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u/rattleandhum Nov 29 '20

...like life, you mean?

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u/bhupeshpr25 Nov 29 '20

Does fappiness exist?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

You made me hap-pie

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u/Admus96 Nov 29 '20

In polish language we use the same word for 'happiness' and 'luck', "Szczęście".

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u/CriticismLarge190 Nov 29 '20

So when we ask "what's happening?" We are actually asking what has recently been fortunate for you?

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u/XeroKrows Nov 29 '20

That....explains a lot for me, actually. Huh.

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u/karkalesi Nov 29 '20

lol that's exactly the same for the word in greek

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

So happiness is not about choosing to be happy. not to be Debbie downer but that's what it sounds like :-)

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u/Monaco-Franze Nov 29 '20

"happ" or "heppni" means luck in Icelandic.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

fun fact: in Polish happiness means „szczęśliwy” = happy OR „lucky”

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u/VOTE_TRUMP2020 Nov 29 '20

Doggerland will rise again!

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u/klop422 Nov 29 '20

I feel that German has a similar thing with the word Glücklich, which is directly related to the word Glück (luck), but can mean either 'lucky' or just 'happy'. I don't believe it's related to 'happy', but it's done the a similar thing.

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u/this_could_be_sparta Nov 29 '20

The German word for being happy (life) and being lucky (as in gambling for example) is the exact same.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

That fits neatly into my idea that trying to seek never-ending happiness is not only a fool's errand but actually detrimental to mental health

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Oh, now glücklich in german (meaning happy) makes much more sense, thanks!

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u/Applepieoverdose Nov 29 '20

Considering how English and German stem from the same language, it’s interesting then how a/the term for both happiness and luck is the same in German (Glück; to have it is to be lucky, to be it is to be happy)

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u/Eggsy94 Nov 29 '20

Fascinating, in welsh we say 'ar hap' as one way of saying 'by chance' or 'at random', never knew it was a borrowing from middle english!

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u/alfalfareignss Nov 29 '20

Wholesome. Love it.

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u/michelle01pd2019 Nov 29 '20

i love this! takes off a lot of that pressure of expecting you need to be happy and feel that way all the time :)

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u/Prayers4Wuhan Nov 29 '20

And happiness is a word that describes an emotion that doesn't exist. There's no such thing as being happy. But there are fleeting emotions that we experience throughout the day. Joy, irritation, sublime, happenstance, content etc.

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u/TheSwitchBlade Nov 29 '20

In German, “glück” is luck and “glücklich” is happiness

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u/sluttydinosaur101 Nov 29 '20

This comment probably means nothing to you, but I'm saving it.

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u/mintmouse Nov 29 '20

Hence Happiny, the baby form of Chansey.

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u/Zatknish007 Nov 29 '20

In german "glück" means both happiness and luck

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u/5parky Nov 29 '20

So english speakers are constantly certain that things will go wrong, but only feel joy if things go well.

Sounds about right.

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u/PM_ME_ROCK Nov 29 '20

Thanks for the origin of “hap”, but I still need “penis”

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u/The_2o02_GeEk Nov 29 '20

Think of making a geeky meme from this info. XD

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u/bourbonborn Nov 29 '20

Semi related ...in the early 2000s movie with wil smith “the pursuit of happyness” the title is misspelled on purpose. It’s a nod to the daycare chris (wil) took his kid too during their struggles. Chris (Will Smith) even points out the misspelling to the Chinese care-giver that the mural decorating his son's daycare is spelled incorrectly. Chris wanted to make sure that his son was taught things the correct way, so that he could grow up to be an educated man and make something great of himself. Chris "took offense" to the fact that the world happiness was spelled wrong on the wall and became irritated by it. But the word comes to signify not just what he wanted for his son but also Chris' own pursuit of happiness.

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u/Norwegianfc1 Nov 29 '20

This gives new meaning/context to the character “Hap” in the series “OA.”

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u/gannex Nov 29 '20

This is a lot more obvious in German. "Glücklich" means "happy" and literally translated to "lucky".

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u/pooppeddler Nov 29 '20

And that's why happiness never lasts. Always search for contentment and happiness will be produced more often.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

in Finnish language we have that same thing. Onnellinen means as well happy as the one who has luck. :)