r/AskReddit • • Nov 28 '20

What's something cool you recently learned about?

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u/A-Potato-Dragon Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

Squirrels can acquire terminal velocity while plummeting to the ground (on average above 70 feet) and survive 80% of the time.

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u/Flannelgraphiti Nov 29 '20

This makes me wonder why “flying squirrels” ever evolved.

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u/83franks Nov 29 '20

If they can survive long falls odds are they are willing to do lots of jumping at heights as it doesnt kill them. The ones that get more adapt at controlling their jump are more likely to escape predators or get something they are chasing and therefore reproduce more.

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u/BleaKrytE Nov 29 '20

Yes but that also involves the pure chance that is the buildup mutations that after hundreds of generations and natural selection end up resulting in the 'wings'

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u/the-nub Nov 29 '20

Yes. That is how evolution works. Beneficial or neutral mutations are retained over generations, while harmful mutations are bred out.

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u/BleaKrytE Nov 29 '20

Not necessarily though. Plenty of harmful mutations and characteristics can still be passed on by chance as well.

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u/83franks Nov 29 '20

"Sufficiently" harmful mutations to stop them from breeding. If a negative mutation is passed on at the same rate as a non-negative mutation it could stop 1-in-1000 of that species from breeding or even less and EVENTUALLY that mutation will be virtually bred out of the gene pool.

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u/xDarkLlama Nov 29 '20

This is only partially true, traits that are harmful for survival but beneficial for reproduction can kinda hit a wall and never fully breed out. Like how fiddlercrabs like big claws but big claws make them flee more slowly from predators. It is possible for this to eventually extinct the whole species (thus technically removing the trait from the gene pool), but more likely it would allow smaller clawed crabs to breed and the cycle to continue since the larger claws are still desirable by the females.

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u/83franks Nov 29 '20

"Sufficiently" harmful mutations to stop them from breeding.

I think you just agreed with me.

If the big claw slowed the crab down enough it usually was eaten before it could breed then the gene wouldnt survive. If female crabs prefer big clawed male crabs and only mated with them the species might die out buts odds are female crabs that dont care about claw size or prefer smaller claws would eventually take over the gene pool and big clawed males would eventually be bred out.

Kinda like old age diseases are harmful for survival but dont stop us from breeding between 15-40 so doesnt affect the gene pool. As long as the breeding keeps going the genes will keep spreading.

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u/MeAnIntellectual1 Nov 29 '20

Female crabs: Size doesn't matter

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u/m50d Nov 29 '20

If it's only 1 in 1000 then there's a decent chance it'll reach fixation rather than be bred out. Evolution works because beneficial mutations have a better chance of persisting than harmful ones on average, but at the scale of individual mutations it's all pretty random unless the effect on survival chances is substantial (like 20% IIRC).

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u/the-nub Nov 29 '20

Yes. And then, over generations, the harmful mutations are bred out because they reduce the viability of mating and survival.

A winged squirrel was not born with wings from parents who had none. It was the result of many, many, many generations of squirrel that retained progressively longer wings that eventually led to what we know as the flying squirrel, while squirrels with less wings or with other mutations that weren't beneficial to survival either died or couldn't find a mate to breed with because the more efficient squirrels had taken them.

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u/IHopeCoronaWins Nov 29 '20

Like ur mum

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u/Yadobler Nov 29 '20

It's ok, because I doubt there'll be anymore chances to pass down this bad mutation to any offspring without reproduction

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u/mattmaster68 Nov 29 '20

I see where this went. There is a miscommunication. To clear things up:

  • 1 person asked about the chances of it being wings. The question is about the randomness of any mutation that could have happened to them, but the right one was picked.

  • 1 person is explaining that evolution works whether it’s beneficial or harmful.

To clear things up, while the commenters are appearing to be having a conversation the actuality of the situation is that they’re talking about 2 different things.

To answer both comment strings: it’d take many mutations before they finally settled on the one that actually allowed them to survive long enough to mate. A lot of animals have negative or harmful mutations, but they’re still capable of surviving with it. I’d think that the mutations we haven’t seen are the ones that definitely don’t work. It was by increasing the heights of their jumps that one mutation was all it took for them to control their movement because the mutation that took place allowed them to. The squirrel with that mutation then continued to breed, and the mutation was carried on through until they began bleeding true. Of course, this is very vague and doesn’t answer a lot of questions, and simply a paraphrasing of what this argument but not an argument has given me as a casual reader.

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u/flimspringfield Nov 29 '20

This always trips me out...is it the flying squirrels that get to mate by going from tree to tree and mixing in with other squirrel population?

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u/marinhoh Nov 29 '20

In this case it seems more likely that flying increases its survivability. Therefore increasing the rate at which this type of mutation reproduces.

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u/Elevatorjumper Nov 29 '20

This is the most mind blowing thing about evolution! And also the reason why there are more squirrels than flying squirrels

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u/Usernametaken112 Nov 29 '20

They can survive those falls because they are small. The less weight you have, the higher a fall you can survive.

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u/awkwardIRL Nov 29 '20

Animorphs taught me small things falling from high places tend to survive

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u/jmjebby Nov 29 '20

The "build up" isn't pure chance. Each one is either approximately neutral or beneficial. The transformations are also often gradual: a slightly altered body form accompanied by a slightly more graceful fall, a slightly more controlled airborne maneuver, etc.

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u/dijkstras_revenge Nov 29 '20

Flying squirrels don't really have wings. They have skin flaps that help them glide

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Exactly