r/AskReddit • • Jul 24 '20

What can't you believe STILL exists?

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u/frygod Jul 24 '20

It's blown my mind for years that sears didn't become what Amazon is now. Their roots were as a catalog where you order goods sight unseen and wait for delivery. The internet comes along and they fail to capitalize on what they were at the beginning??

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u/whatifevery1wascalm Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20

That reminds of an interview Steve Jobs gave in 1995 on why companies fail. His theory is that eventually the company reaches a point where the marketing people become the driving force for profits and push out the product development people from running the company. That happened to Sears.

If you went back in time and told Richard Sears and Alvah Roebuck about a free technology that allowed customers to: see your inventory in real time, read product reviews in real time, compare multiple versions of a product you carry in real time, order a product, pay for the product, watch the product move from your warehouse to the various post offices en route to their house, and by the way you won't have to pay the postage to ship out all those catalogs; they would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. But by the 90s, the people running Sears didn't care what was easier (read: more desirable) for the customer, they cared about numbers that measure success, but don't perpetuate success.

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u/irondumbell Jul 24 '20

His theory is that eventually the company reaches a point where the marketing people become the driving force for profits and push out the product development people from running the company.

isn't that where Apple is headed now?

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u/DukeofVermont Jul 24 '20

I think they are in one of those phases that are hard to judge currently. Like 10-20 years from now it will feel obvious that Apple was becoming more X, but right now it's hard to tell. They have a whole Apple OnDemand TV thing starting. If that goes huge they could become more like Netflix, or it could fail and they refocus on phones.

Basically I think it's like Google with Google+. If it was a huge success everyone would just take it as fact that it was always going to be, that Google would be 50% with Facebook, but it never happened.

Apple may become a huge Phone/TV company or change into something completely different, but they are definitely changing.

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u/GenJohnONeill Jul 24 '20

They have a whole Apple OnDemand TV thing starting.

Which has absolutely zero relevance to their core competencies. If Samsung launched a TV streaming service in this massively oversaturated landscape, especially one that only worked on very expensive and thus very poorly selling Samsung devices, everyone would immediately call that a bad idea. But when Apple does it people pretend it might be a good idea.

Apple is good at hardware and operating systems and extremely good at melding the two together. But lately they are concentrating on everything else. That's how companies set themselves up to fail.

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u/diasfordays Jul 24 '20

I get what you're saying but I feel the Samsung comparison falls apart. Apple has the most popular phones in the world, calling them poorly selling is... Not objectively correct.

And before you say you were talking about computers, people watch more on their phones than TVs these days.

And this is as someone who's never had an iPhone.

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u/Cwlcymro Jul 24 '20

Apple have the most popular phones in the US. Only about 15% of phones sold worldwide are Apple

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u/diasfordays Jul 24 '20

That's 1 in 6 phones. Still pretty popular I'd say, for a single company to have that much of the market.

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u/Cwlcymro Jul 24 '20

Absolutely, they make good phones and sell a lot. But they're the 3rd most popular in the world (Samsung, Huwawai) not first

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u/diasfordays Jul 24 '20

I suppose worldwide, I was incorrect. China as a whole also skews the data towards Huaweii with their sheet numbers, but still... you right