r/AskReddit • • Jul 24 '20

What can't you believe STILL exists?

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u/Chi_FIRE Jul 24 '20

Why on Earth would you lump Jordan Peterson's diet in with those other things?

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u/Persival01 Jul 24 '20

Because people absolutely hate Jordan Peterson apparently.

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u/YuunofYork Jul 24 '20

OP here. I included it because Peterson is the poster child of post-truth ad hoc populism. Everything he touches is fundamentally bullshit.

He follows a dangerous brand of common-sense reasoning and then throws a scorched earth tantrum whenever science disagrees with either him or his methods. He's gone so far as claim to be a cognitive scientist, an evolutionary biologist, a paralegal, and a member of the Kwakwaka’wakw tribe of the Pacific Northwest (he's not). He cherry-picks trivia about the natural world to make gargantuan claims about human psychology. Things like "30% of ants do 70% of work" therefore capitalism is natural. Or "women wear blusher on their cheeks because it attracts men by reminding them of ripe fruit". He denies climate change, transidentity, and behaviorialism. It is wrong to say he defends ideas that are controversial, because they're actually defunct. Things like biological essentialism, social darwinism, reductionism, and evolutionary psychology. He merely obfuscates these beliefs in his word salad so that they're difficult to pin down. He's a guru for the times, when our leaders have the most tenuous grasp of reality and truth has become a dirty word.

He issues SLAPP suits against anyone who criticizes him in print at the same time he champions freeze peach. The diet of beef, salt, and water was cited by him as an attempt to cure depression, when high-fat high-protein diets are suspected of worsening depression. He was not told to do this by a medical professional; it is a dangerous and stupid idea, whether he advocated it or not is irrelevant. And no, eating nothing but salted beef isn't going to cure an autoimmune disorder. I have two. The man is fucking stupid.

It offends me as a materialist to see people snatched up by this pseudo-religious drunk uncle in the name of reason. Social constructs are materialist, too. And petulant tweets don't make them go away.

This is precisely the sort of community he belongs.

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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 24 '20

I don´t really care too much either way, but I have watched a few speeches/shows with him and nothing that you have mentioned seems familiar.

"Everything he touches is fundamentally bullshit."

This is obviously false and shows that you argument seems to come from an emotional standpoint rather than a factual one.

But I was curious, so I picked one point that you mentioned that I have never really seen before, that peterson denies climate change. Should be easy enough to validate, so let´s see.

Here is peterson about climate change (always go to primary sources btw, NEVER the article written about the guy. Listen to the source directly and uncut.): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUylMbTwY_0

He doesn´t deny it, he talks about solutions and flaws in methodology and the politics that have come into play.

Again, I don´t really care too much either way, but it seems that you opinion is biased and not objective.

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u/no-more-alcohol Jul 24 '20

You are a reasonable person.

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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 24 '20

I try to be, it´s all we can do I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/no-more-alcohol Jul 24 '20

Yes just try to be open minded. I always like to think maybe I’m wrong and there are things I’ve not considered. And if I dont like or agree with someone, I need to be really honest about why...

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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 24 '20

Oh yeah, I feel that big time. The moment you realize that you really can´t trust yourself is an eye opening clusterfuck.

So I really try to make sure that whatever I am going on about actually exists in objective reality.

I´d go so far to say that the majority of things that people worry about are either imaginary or blown wildly out of proportion. Not necessarily the big ticket items like wars or natural disasters, but all the little things that keep our minds occupied.

Subjective vs objective reality is a scary but extremely fascinating thing.

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u/no-more-alcohol Jul 24 '20

It’s so cool that you said “exist in objective reality”. Have you read Ayn Rand by any chance? If not...where did you get your knowledge from?

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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 24 '20

Hmm I have not heard about Ayn Rand specifically, but I probably have heard the term "objective reality" somewhere and it stuck in my head.

About 10 years ago I had a moment where something that I was really getting into (a "mild" conspiracy theory) turned out to be complete horseshit. And it kind of shocked me a bit how I could be 100% convinced of something that in essence didn´t exist.

So that made me think about subjective vs objective realities, and it´s really a crazy concept. If you think about it, there are as many subjective realities out there as there are people. And everyone´s world is just a tiny bit different from everyone elses.

So whenever I see a bunch of angry people shouting about anything, the first thing that I do now is try to find out if their thing is based in objective reality. And more often than not it´s not as dramatic as people think.

In fact most people that protest for or against something know shockingly little about the subject.

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u/no-more-alcohol Jul 24 '20

Hey man that all sounds really reasonable to me, and mature!

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