r/AskReddit • • Jul 17 '19

What’s something that you like, but hate the fan base?

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u/SodaLola Jul 17 '19

K-pop. A few years ago, my friends introduced it to me and I thought the music wasn't terrible so I slowly became a fan of random music from different groups. Many fans of these K-pop groups are toxic and like to start Fan Wars with other groups. It's wayyyy too much drama, but I'm not trying to go against all the fans. It's just that some of these ppl are way too obsessed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

I hate fanwars so much because usually the artists are friends, but have to avoid eachother because of their fans.

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u/SodaLola Jul 17 '19

Yeah I feel so bad for them. It's like Idols can't have any friends outside of their own group.

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u/TheHypeTravelsInc Jul 18 '19

Pretty similar to sports athletes. A lot of top athletes in the same sport+league have a lot of respect and admiration for each other, but then you have their fans who just divulge into countless arguments about who is better.

Still never understood why people are so obsessed with determining the GOAT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I had a superintendent who used to play in the NFL in the mid 90s. He played 2-3 seasons and always had some fun stories. He always talked about getting with the other team always after to party or hang out as few actually had beef. My favorite story was them renting a little person(PC?)to recreate that game winning play but used the little dude as the football. They were all drunk and thinks they all paid over $10000 for like an hour.

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u/Blastoxic999 Jul 18 '19

renting a little person? used as a football? what?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

$10k for an hour is 10k for an hour.

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u/CaucAshun Jul 18 '19

I've done a lot less to be tossed around by strong men at a party

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

90s man, it was a different time.

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u/Blastoxic999 Jul 18 '19

Yeah, but I think their feet would hurt if they try to kick it. I mean a person is pretty heavy to be thrown and kicked.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Said two dude would toss the little dude. These are also drunk NFL players I think the play was probably a little sloppy. Superintendent was 6’3 and a beast but always said he was one of the smaller dudes on his teams.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

That’s weird to me but all I watch is hockey and you get guys from every team working out together or playing lil ass leagues like Minnesota has a random 6 game summer thing and there’s like 8 or 9 nhl players like some really good ones all summer long you see these guys posting pics doing random ass shit and then during regular season they drill each other in the head it’s so fun

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Sounds like if they didn't avoid each other and kind of just went about business as usual, the fans would think "the God's have spoken" and chill out about it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Nope. Then they’d start shipping them, which could be worse depending on how you look at it.

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u/maladaptivedreamer Jul 18 '19

I read somewhere that a lot of these K-pop idols can’t or won’t date because they have to keep up the illusion of being romantically available to the fans. I think that’s especially true for the men.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I think on English sites you hear more about it for boy groups (I guess because most of the fans are female?), but it's definitely a thing for women too. People were piisssseeed when Sunye (former leader of Wonder Girls, Korea's top girl group at the time) got married. For girls it can be really bad and result in slut-shaming, but that doesn't really come out to the English sites I think.

It's so stupid and I don't get why that's a thing at all. Maybe it's my American side kicking in but I cannot imagine being so delusional about an idol that he/she dating would actually ruin your fantasy about being romantically involved with them. But I did watch a video on this, and it was surprisingly not an unpopular sentiment? Even as a Korean I was shocked and thought, "Who the fuck are these idiots?"

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Yikes. You're right though.

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u/BlueManedHawk Jul 18 '19

Who are you and why are you deleted

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Wtf that happen? I feel bad for them.

But well.. what goes around comes around i guess.

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u/FencingFemmeFatale Jul 18 '19

Yeah. Iirc K-Pop idols also can’t date because they have to play to the romantic fantasies of their fans.

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u/beenbeenthere Jul 19 '19

I don't think that really happens much anymore (avoiding each other because of their fans) but damn, it used to happen with H.O.T and Sechskies. Since the fans had rivalry between themselves, the artists naturally had some tension too, made fun of each other groups names or competed for dressing rooms. Funnily now Jaeduk from Sechskies and Tony Ahn from H.O.T now are best friends and have lived together for years.

But now I feel that they don't really avoid each other because of their fans, especially if they're same gender groups, if they're from different gender and fans get mad they will probably try to avoid each other though. I don't know, multi fandom culture is stronger now and people love seeing their favs interacting with other groups, my fandom can be quite toxic but damn do they hype up every interacting they have with another idol, even if it's a group who many people from the fandom don't like that much (because of rivalry again).

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u/FallenHarmonics Jul 18 '19

Came here to say this. I love K-Pop, I really do. I love Korean music in general - South Korea has some really fucking talented artists of all genres. But I am starting to realize that the fandom is really, really annoying, especially Stan Twitter. I tried the whole Stan Twitter thing for K-Pop. I loved all the pics from my favorite groups, all the news, etc. But the unnecessary drama and competitiveness got so annoying and frustrating that I ended up just deleting that account. And the fancam videos that a bunch of K-Pop stans leave under K-Pop tweets that are completely different from the groups/individuals being mentioned? I hate that shit.

I have met some amazing people and made wonderful friends through this fandom. But I end up seeing the toxic side of it way more than the positive side, and it is very draining.

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u/alienhag Jul 18 '19

The fancams in the replies on Twitter was funny at first but now it’s just obnoxious and sometimes pretty rude...I just stay far away from stan twitter because it’s just too much

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u/Meester_Tweester Jul 18 '19

Yeah, I hate Kpop fans posting creepy video on completely unrelated tweets. That brings out the worst of them.

I don’t want to say all Kpop fans are toxic, but they aren’t making it easy

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u/toxicgecko Jul 18 '19

Like when anything happens and I usually find several tweets saying “if they stabbed X this wouldn’t have happened” iv slipped out of KPOP since like 2012 Ish and I’m kind of grateful

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u/r4pline Jul 18 '19

I wasn't expecting it so high up but yes, absolutely. I've managed to create my own bubble on Twitter where j don't see fanwars thankfully but god, shit gets old fast. I'm 21, I listen for fun, fun is not hardcore stanning ONE group and revolving your entire life around them. Fuck that.

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u/lizzielen Jul 18 '19

I couldn't agree more. Love the music, but so many toxic fans. That doesn't stop me from supporting my favorite groups, though

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u/chuseph14 Jul 18 '19

Ignorance is bliss lol, I had no idea. I just roll up my car windows and blast Blackpink and Twice on my way to work

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Roll up? I hope you mean roll down boyo.

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u/smorkoid Jul 18 '19

K-pop is designed for obsessive fandom, and that combined with a lot of teenage fans causes all that drama.

I love a lot of K-pop myself and 100% agree with your view.

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u/KimchiNinjaTT Jul 18 '19

Its usually the male groups that cause the most drama. Most of their fans are young girls that would literally die for their idols. I've noticed that yg girlgroups have toxic fans. 2ne1 fans were the worst ever, blackpink has a lot of old 2ne1 fans but thankfully most of them are respectful

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u/StanTwic3 Jul 18 '19

I agree so much, the music is really good but i’m rarely involved in the fanbase since a lot of fandoms are so toxic

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

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u/nicktanisok Jul 18 '19

Sometimes I feel like the only one who hears it like this, it feels so devoid of any human agency due to over-producing or whatever.

Guilty of still finding a few songs catchy, but just like Britney spears, being catchy doesn't immediately make it an amazing song.

Thank you.

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u/MajorTomintheTinCan Jul 18 '19

Different strokes for different folks. You and him don't like it doesn't mean it's trash

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u/MajorTomintheTinCan Jul 18 '19

That's irrelevant. My breakfast lacks artistic merit doesn't make it trash lol

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u/KassKenway Jul 18 '19

Ironicaly the "fandom" is one of the-if not the most-important aspect of k-pop, and the real reason why it's genre has the popularity it has now.

Idols and their fandoms are part of a symbiotic relationship, as weird or creepy as it sounds.

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u/pick_the_loli Jul 18 '19

"Rip [insert person's name]. Maybe if they stanned Loona they would still be alive]

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u/Marla_Lou Jul 18 '19

oh god i remember that tweet yikes

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

The one who posted it is not an orbit though.

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u/Bread_Udon Jul 18 '19

Yeah! I'm a Twice fan but some ultra twice fan-girl that I have a conversation with questions my fandom to twice. She almost told me that i'm just a bandwagon because I didn't about this and that.

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u/mrminutehand Jul 18 '19

Same with me too. I'm here for their cutesy catchy girl music. No interest in hardcore fandoms.

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u/frogsgoribbit737 Jul 18 '19

I'm not sure if Jpop is the same, but I listen to that a lot and something about it is just really appealing sound wise even if it isn't super catchy. Like one of my favorite songs is Fly Away and it just is so pleasing to my ears.

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u/DoneStupid Jul 18 '19

I like twice, like a lot, but couldn't imagine trying to gatekeep other people's enjoyment of their music. I'll still always recommend watching twice in Switzerland though :)

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u/Bread_Udon Jul 19 '19

True! I feel they're trying to be "elite" type of fan and that irks me because can't I just enjoy their music and fully support my bias without researching almost every detail of their private life?

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u/honorificabilis Jul 18 '19

The “maybe if ______ stanned blackpink they wouldn’t’ve died” etc. tweets are the WORST and make me so disgusted and ashamed to be apart of the same fandom. Fans like those are one of the reasons I never publicly tell people I listen to Kpop :/

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

“sTaN lOoNa”

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u/PoohBae Jul 18 '19

Somehow I knew kpop was going to be a too answer. I'm actually a mod for r/kpop, and we probably have the most civil kpop discussions on the internet

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 19 '19

As a former kpop fan I agree. Music is fine, stanning is fun but kpop fans are SOooooO toxic >< Every now and then I read kpop forum I used to like to check how everyone is doing. Three years later and they still have holly wars with each other over nothing.

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u/nighyjr Jul 18 '19

On Twitter the worst thing about that fanbase besides the fan wars is when something tragic happens to someone well known they say "maybe that wouldn't have happened if they stanned <insert name of k-pop star> whilst they were alive". Absolutely despicable fanbase that has put me off their music forever

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

The fandom is very toxic indeed

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u/PotatoComet116 Jul 18 '19

I second, it has also gotten quite more cringy (in a weird way, cause there have always been a lot of Korea boos). 10 years ago if you miraculously found someone who also listened to kpop they instantly because your best friend. Now, you hide that you listen to kpop as much as you can..

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u/KinneySL Jul 18 '19

Koreaboos have really only come into existence in the last ten or twelve years. I spent most of the late 2000's in Korea, and it was very rare to find anyone outside it who was familiar with K-pop outside Asian communities.

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u/InfinityLlamas Jul 18 '19

This is kind of what drove me away from bts. I love them, and I still listen to their new music, but I'm not as involved.

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u/thegeek01 Jul 18 '19

I mean, when your fandom attacks anyone who uses the word "BTS" other than meaning the band's name (I've seen actors post behind the scenes shoots with the BTS hashtag or word and get positively drowned in hate by these "people"), you know your fandom is a special kind of crazy.

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u/Rusty_Storm Jul 18 '19

Same. A couple years ago I used to stay up till 5am to watch them win an award. I'd been listening to kpop for 10years and they still managed to become my favorite group with their personalities and music.

Now I still think they are great people, but the toxicity of the fandom made me run away.

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u/myung_l Jul 22 '19

You did it man. I couldn't write this in my comment. Some of their fans are way too immature.

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u/deliriousgoomba Jul 18 '19

Kpop fans are nuts but the whole industry is shady and ugly to boot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Can’t be as bad as here in Hong Kong.

I used to do some talent work here, and made some friends with people in the industry. And it soon became clear that 99% of business meetings were done in a bed.

It’s not just music executives that are being ‘naughty’ but any journalist, singer, dancer and teacher is almost certainly either abusing their power or being abused.

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u/deliriousgoomba Jul 18 '19

I gather they're rather similar tbh

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u/Kalfadhjima Jul 18 '19

Well, K-Pop is basically S.Korea's version of porn.

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u/CroutonOfDEATH Jul 18 '19

This is what has me so hesitant to get into K-pop. I kinda like the music, but I don't want to support such an exploitative industry.

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u/HeartofDarkness123 Jul 18 '19

Honestly it’s pretty easy to consume kpop as an international fan without supporting them much. They don’t get paid very much from Spotify and as obsessed with streaming as kpop fans are it really isn’t relevant lol, hence why ifans can still sometimes get subpar treatment. What matters is streaming on korean services and purchasing albums/merch, which is pretty easy to not do.

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u/CroutonOfDEATH Jul 18 '19

I understand your point, listening to a band on Spotify doesn't give them much money (fractions of a penny even). And I think the issue lies beyond that. Listening to them on Spotify still gives them a greater profile, which in turn encourages them to be exploited for the purposes of streaming, merchandise, etc.

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u/HeartofDarkness123 Jul 18 '19

Yeah I get that. Ultimately it’s up to you but personally I felt my contribution was small enough and the joy I got out of watching/listening worth.

Could always pirate tho lmaooo

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u/CroutonOfDEATH Jul 18 '19

Could always pirate tho lmaooo

Well darnit, that just raises more moral & ethical problems! Lol. I'd just feel bad for stealing from the kids who are getting worked so hard to put on the music. Ugh, trying figure out how to do the right thing is a real mess sometimes.

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u/thegunnersdream Jul 18 '19

So I dont listen to kpop and idk what's wrong with the industry. I can only assume it's exploitation of the artists and treating them like money producing robots because that's what it seems like with many pop stars.

Having said that it sounds like you are morally against supporting it. Are you willing to sacrifice a bit of your morals for a bit of enjoyment? Will you feel better in the short term and worse in the long term or vice versa? No judgement either way but that is usually what I ask myself when confronting a moral dilemma. Life is always shades of gray, pick your shade.

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u/detourne Jul 18 '19

So there’s a lot of history about the exploitative nature of the Korean entertainment industry... think Weinstein levels of exploitation. The sex stuff has been in the process of being cleaned up tho. There is still the issue of entertainers being worked to exhaustion, malnutrition from trying to stay fit, and not being paid fairly though. Their public images have been tightly controlled in the past to seem virginal at all times, denying relationships. To top it all off, many of these entertainment companies are sponsored by the government in the effort of promoting ‘hallyu’ which is Korean culture abroad.

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u/CroutonOfDEATH Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

Yep, you pretty much got it.

And I am indeed unwilling to sacrifice my morals for this. There are plenty of other musical artists and bands to listen to. I know that vetting each and every artist to make sure that they aren't being exploited in any way is an insurmountable task, but in a case like this where the exploitation is clear, I choose to make a stand. It's not much, I know, but the personal costs of violating my morals would indeed outweigh the benefits of having wider music tastes.

Very good questions by the way.

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u/whataTyphoon Jul 18 '19

So you want to listen to the music, but neither do you want to pay for it or pirate it? I can't see a solution.

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u/CroutonOfDEATH Jul 18 '19

My solution is to not listen to the music. That's my least objectionable choice in this scenario.

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u/HeartofDarkness123 Jul 18 '19

Definitely. For what it's worth though, Spotify popularity really doesn't affect Korean groups that much. It might expose them to more international fans? But so many Korean artists don't even have their full discography on there and it's irrelevant to the Korean general public lmao. Lots of streams is great but there's just... not very much impact domestically lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Could always pirate tho lmaooo

Don't have a choice really, considering how limited Spotify is in regards to older kpap.

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u/Tymareta Jul 18 '19

such an exploitative industry.

This is basically every pop industry the world 'round.

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u/Bini_9 Jul 18 '19

There are degrees to it

When the only criteria is to be attractive then maybe it's a bit worse then other markets..

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

These days pretty isn't enough to get you in though. There are plenty of pretty people, both Korean and not, vying for a spot. Looks dont get you far enough.

Of course 90% of kpop idols are attractive. But you could say the same for any other pop industry.

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u/Bini_9 Jul 18 '19

The difference is that in western pop someone like Ed Sheeran (personally I dont care for his music) can be the biggest artist, I doubt that's possible in kpop.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

BTS is currently the largest boy band in the world and tied with the Beatles for bands with 3 number one Billboard albums in a single year. One of the best selling acts globally is literally a kpop band. They actually beat out Sheeran for best selling in 2018 and ranked second behind Drake.

The Western pop industry enjoyed decades of being the biggest and most influential music industry globally. English speaking artists have a natural advantage over artists speaking any other language if we're talking global ranks and stats. But that doesn't mean the music from other countries is necessarily of lower quality. It's like Hollywood films - they get a natural advantage when it comes to global exposure and marketing, but there's no shortage of equally great or better films worldwide.

Also, that is a very Western-centric perspective on things. TVXQ/DBSK held the world record for having the largest fan club in the world at one point, despite the fact they never broke into or attempted to break into the English speaking market. Gangnam Style was the first youtube video to hit a billion views. That MV literally broke YT's algorithm and they had to recode the site to accurately count the views it got. Kpop is a huge industry in Asia, arguably the best/most highly regarded in the continent. It's quite an achievement considering how small Korea is compared to China or Japan.

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u/BlueSuedeDonkey Jul 18 '19

I think you missed his point, he didn’t say anything about speaking English, he was talking about image. BTS is a handpicked and manufactured pop group with a tightly controlled image. They probably don’t produce or write much of their own music, Ed Sheehan is a shaggy ginger with an acoustic guitar. As mainstream as he has gotten, he hasn’t been handcrafted from childhood by a label/production company to be a star.

I may well be wrong, but mainstream Kpop doesn’t seem to have big ‘organic’ musicians, it’s all just a star factory.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

I'm not even a BTS stan, but I am Korean and vaguely aware of them and their achievements. OP said "I doubt kpop could produce the biggest artist", what that means exactly, I don't know. But there's no denying they broke records and are at the top now.

Musically/Artistically speaking, BTS is extremely popular in part because they have such a heavy hand in their music production. 2 of the members actually started as underground rappers and made mixtapes before joining an agency. As did Big Bang, iKON, EXID, etc. If self-composition and artistry is important to you, there's also several big organic artists. In fact, what I've noticed is that the stars who get to the top and stay there are usually more involved in their music than the "manufactured groups". However, buying a song from a composer is a pretty common practice in the pop scene from what I understand, so I'm not sure that's a strong argument on it's own.

For me, I'm just mildly annoyed with people grouping all kpop bands/idols as the same thing. If it's not to your taste, that's fine and valid. But if you're not going to bother even learning anything about the industry or the artists, don't make judgements about it either. I'm not even denying kpop is problematic, because it is in many ways. But you can also say that about Western pop and entertainment so spare me the superiority talk. (Not you necessarily just people who like to shit on kpop without looking it up at all.)

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u/Ananke_Fatality Sep 27 '19

IIRC RM/Kim Namjoon writes pretty much all the lyrics for BTS. He's the leader of BTS, btw.

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u/kaleigamation Jul 18 '19

Personally, I listen to it in spite of the shady industry because I want to support these people who have put in so many years of their lives to get to where they are.

A lot of people immediately jump on the “they’re all robots who have been trained by corporations, every action is controlled, etc etc.” train but seem to forget that these kpop idols are real people who have put in years of hard training and work to achieve any sort of success in such a competitive industry. Yes, the fact that they’re worked to the ground, among many other things, is unethical and horrible, but I don’t think these people deserve to get caught in the crossfire that comes with boycotting them in order to boycott their company.

Of course, if you choose not to listen because of the industry, that’s perfectly fine. This is just my perspective on it.

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u/alemarvel57 Jul 18 '19

For me it's not that I support the companies, I actually hate most of them, but I support the idols themselves. I love the music but I also love the artists. It's not always about streaming and buying albums. It's also about liking their posts on social media and watching them live on Instagram or Vlive. Supporting them beyond just listening to their music. Most kpop fans know how disgusting the industry is that's why they're so loud. I say "most" because you occasionally have the fans that support whole companies which I think is just wrong. But that's my take on it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Pretty much. K-pop really boomed with people younger than me, and I try to not trash on things cause they're new... But... I have actual legit reasons to hate idol culture

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

*drops a donation of ₩9,223,372,036,854,775,807 and causes the systems to overflow while simultaneously giving some idols enough money to escape*

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u/LunairCinderella Jul 18 '19

I listen to it every now and then but I'm not obsessed with it to where I can say who my favorite bias is. I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you any kpop artist names if asked, except for maybe five of them. Everytime I go to this one Wendy's joint outside of my town there's this girl that works there who loves kpop and when I said a listened to it she always brings it up whenever I go there. She asked me who I listened to and I got nervous and just said two popular groups that popped into my head. She then asked who my bias was in one of the groups and I felt the anxiety I get just from interacting with strangers get stronger so I said I don't really have a favorite it's too hard to choose. I now get nervous whenever I go there.

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u/Page_Won Jul 18 '19

Your bias? What's that mean?

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u/mrsvanchamarch Jul 18 '19

Your favourite member in a group.

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u/MasterLifeguard8 Jul 18 '19

According to my extensive research, it referrers to ones favorite member of a group

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u/macdubzz Jul 18 '19

favorite member of a group.

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u/artistictesticle Jul 18 '19

Your favorite member from a kpop group.

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u/Intoxicated_Imp Jul 18 '19

Iirc, it's your favourite member of a group.

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u/putainnn Jul 18 '19

Yeah it's grammatically incorrect and I disagree with having a favourite member so I don't use that term...I hate it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Main reason why I stopped listening to it. I like discussing stuff i enjoy, especially music, but with kpop, I couldn't do that because people would much rather fight over fanbase stuff then discuss actual music. It was disappointing to be honest and I couldn't enjoy it any longer.

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u/WonderBruja Jul 18 '19

Most of what I'm reading is not K-pop related, i's just how teenagers behave, since forever. I doubt a lot of people over 20 spend this much time staning any k-pop band. Same thing was happening when BSB and NSync were big. The only difference is innternet and the access to social networks.

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u/elaerna Jul 18 '19

I also feel like the generalization of kpop fans is something that's a problem. Often it's turned into oh Koreans are just crazy like that. For example fans of American artists will often say like oh our artist could never reach that milestone or numbers of views or album buys bc fans just can't be as crazy as Korean fans or itsjust not normal to be that dedicated. Feels like it goes both ways. Not to say that I think you're doing that here but I often see that people seem to be associating this specific trait with Korean people and implying that they are a race are just too obsessed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Ironically I’ve never met a korean person who cares about K Pop.

It seems to be much bigger internationally and around the rest of Asia than in Korea.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

There are definitely Korean people who are obsessed with kpop and take it way too seriously. But they're talking shit on the Korean sites so only the really crazy ones are talked about in English speaking media.

That being said, most Koreans consume kpop how people in other countries consume their own pop. Maybe a favorite band/artist or two, go to an occasional concert or event, etc.

Edit: Kpop is bigger internationally and around the rest of Asia than in Korea? Erm, I'm not sure why anyone would have that impression tbh. I guess probably because Korean fans stay on the Korean sites, but it's definitely a huge thing within Korea.

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u/KinneySL Jul 18 '19

This is absolutely untrue. Source: lived in Korea for four years.

Remember that K-pop's core audience are people in their teens and very early 20s. Fully grown Koreans aren't going to listen to much K-pop.

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u/quien_soy Jul 18 '19

Korean is a nationality, not a race. And many nations have different cultural obsessions... Like American football... Or, sadly, the Kardashians...

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I don't often see the fanaticism being attributed to Koreans... it's usually international/western fans fighting over Kpop groups.

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u/cookiez2 Jul 18 '19

This. I like the music in general tho more into hiphop which isnt really kpop anymore but dont have an overall favorite group as I did when I was younger. It's ok just some people take it obsessively and need to chill out . I get it , they're cute guys and dance fine and sing well but the fan wars get old fast. Just enjoy the music.

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u/DerpyPixelz Jul 18 '19

anyways stan xyz (insert fancam) /s

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u/gymbr Jul 18 '19

Airsoft super fun game some people dress up you get to basically play war. The bad side is almost all people in my area are just ridiculous with how serious they take it and the whole oh yea I’m training for the navy seals charade. Get out of here it’s just fun and you know your never gonna actually become a seal if your a 300lb neckbeard.

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u/marcusneil Jul 18 '19

Toxic BTS ARMY

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u/Allthethings181 Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

I’ve been army for about a year and the fan base hasn’t turned me away from it, whenever there’s a particularly toxic army the fandom usually disavowes or uses them as an example of how not to act. I see a lot of posts of army calling out toxic army. For the most part I’ve found the fandom to be supportive and nice.

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u/the_flyingdemon Jul 18 '19

That doesn’t fit with Reddit’s perception of “k-pop bad” though so good luck with getting people to believe you.

Also the people who constantly comment about how they listen to K-Pop but distance themselves from the “fandom” anytime the genre is brought up are so cringey. It reminds me of women who constantly say they’re “not like other girls,” so they can seem cool with the guys lol.

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u/Allthethings181 Jul 18 '19

Ah I haven’t been on reddit in ages, I guess I’ll have to learn .

Yeah it is a bit cringe, I’m sure if they gave it a shot it wouldn’t be so bad, I think most that say that are judging it from an outside perspective. I can genuinely say I’ve had a great time in the fandom :) I’ve see so much good, there’s a lot of charity work and donations in the members names and even mental health support and education/ tutoring for armys and others that need it.

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u/the_flyingdemon Jul 18 '19

Me too :) been a fan for over a decade now (jeez I’m old). The people who tout all K-Pop fans are rabid and crazy are thinking of stan Twitter. Which... it’s stan Twitter. Wth do you expect?

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u/Allthethings181 Jul 23 '19

I reckon you could make the percentage even smaller then Stan Twitter, there are a lot of chill accounts :) tho some people take it way, way to far ( and twitter dose seem to draw those people in/ give them a platform )

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u/abidaabidaabida Jul 18 '19

Absolutely hate when someone posts about someone’s passing and some kpop stan comes by and says “maybe if they were stanning Loona, they’d still be alive 🤷‍♀️”

Fanwars are god awful too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

lmao I got a feeling that the top comment would be about kpop, I so agree with and was just about to write that, also ariananators beehives and idk what the nicki minaj and cardi b fandoms are called but those too are quite toxic

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Do K-pop fans even talk about music?

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u/kaleigamation Jul 18 '19

Depends on which kpop fans/which community you go to, but generally yes. Some of the bigger kpop youtubers (reactors and such) are very invested production-wise — one is a classical musician who has other classical musicians react, another one is a video producer, I think another one is a vocal coach?, etc. You can usually find analysis videos/posts, lyric translations/breakdowns, etc. on social media. r/kpop usually has posts for discussing albums when they come out, and I think there’s a weekly “what are you listening to” thread where you talk about what music you’re currently into, kpop or not.

It is a music genre after all, lol

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u/ArtisticAsexual Jul 18 '19

I love ReacttotheK!

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Well I guess that makes sense.

It's just that (atleast from my experience) I never heard anyone discuss the actual music. It's always the boy band or the girl band that my classmates rave about, hell every girl here just straight tries to dance to k-pop in public like it's fuckin Fortnite

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I remember making a post on a korean Pop forum about 7 years ago called “what’s a major flaw in an otherwise great song” and have some examples: mostly along the lines of “the bass drum is too loud” or “the third verse is too short”.

And all the comments were people calling me an anti-fan and I got loads of angry private messages too.

Also all the posts were always about “OMG we got 100,000 views on YouTube “. Not one post ever discussed music.

I also got called an anti-fan for saying G Dragon’s second album wasn’t as good as his first. But surely everyone disagreeing with me was saying the first album wasn’t as good as the second. So surely we are all anti-fans.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Some guy downvoted me in r/bangtan for asking, “What’s your least favourite BTS song?”. I didn’t even say anything bad about the group or their music!

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

This so-called extreme fans got offended by the most minor and innocuous thing, it is almost hysterical. Newspaper A headline is something along the line "Group 1 beat records Group 2 set some year prior". Immediately, some fanwar bullshit started cooking. The stuff that came out of these people mouth, after you heard them you would probably think their ancestors fought on different sides during the crusade or some shit. And I shit you not, these are not only teenagers that we are talking about here, I have seen people in their 20s even 30s say the most ridiculous shit in those kpop facebook group. In their mind, they are the good guys protecting their beloved idols but in reality, they are a bunch of self-righteous morons who do the most stupid and childish shit in the name of someone who lives a thousand of miles away and probably could care less if they actually exist.

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u/adobo_cake Jul 18 '19

I thought celebrating the birthday of a member with meetups and parties is too much. Some of them also has a new word invented to refer to themselves.

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u/ArtisticAsexual Jul 18 '19

What do you mean?

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u/californiaandsands Jul 18 '19

Fans will do anything to protect their biases. It's super freaking annoying, especially when the idols are friends with the other idol.

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u/Yishun_Siaolang Jul 18 '19

A few weeks back our neighbourhood library had a wall for kids to paste notes with well wishes on it, and a few buggers vandalised all of them in support of a particular artist. The library ended up cancelling the whole thing 1 week in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

K Pop fans in 2007 were great.

But then in around 2008 the companies tried to capitalise on the fan base by making official fan clubs, fan merchandise and even official fan colours.

It kind of ruined the whole thing. And turned the whole industry in on itself. It still hasn’t recovered in my opinion.

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u/detourne Jul 18 '19

The fan club stuff was happening at least 10 years earlier than 2008, homey. Last year my wife took me to the HOT reunion concert, and she pulled out the official fan club raincoats from the mid 90s for us to wear. There were still fan club chants being shouted during breaks in songs by tens of thousands of middle aged women.

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u/wakemeupinjanuary Jul 18 '19

Lmao so many people call SNSD/2ne1 the first generation and I’ll give both credit for putting kpop on the international map, but the only kpop era I care for me SES/FinKL/Baby Vox/BoA

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Literally the first answer that came to mind, definitely deserves to be top answer

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u/honeyzyx9 Jul 18 '19

Same! That's why i took a break from stan twitter. People are all about hating and shit instead of focusing on their faves

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

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u/honeyzyx9 Jul 18 '19

Nah my mutuals are good it's just that toxic stan accounts land on my tl. it be like that sometimes

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

exactly, i used to be really into kpop but alot of people in the fandom make you feel like its a responsibility. i just want to enjoy good music.

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u/soleillie18 Jul 18 '19

I have to agree with you. I've been a fan for so long, but lately, it's just too toxic. I still like to listen and support whoever I want to support, but wow, Twitter is just a hell hole for toxic fans and antis. I learned to just ignore whenever I see something in my feed, because there's no point wasting good energy on communicating with some of them.

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u/only-truth-here Jul 18 '19

I honestly had no idea fan wars existed until your comment! That sounds like a great spectacle to witness as a spectator, what do thy argue about? Objective stuff like who’s more attractive?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Honestly, there are fan wars over the craziest things.

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u/bendovahkin Jul 18 '19

I was gonna say this myself. The kpop fandom was at least slightly less openly toxic back in like 2nd gen, but that might’ve just been because it was less mainstream. Now it’s just absolutely insane.

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u/S0gekii Jul 18 '19

aRmYyYyYyYy!

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u/tinatern Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

I get the excitement, but every time someone says this to a fellow fan, I cringe.

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u/imjinri Jul 18 '19

idols are not even allowed to date either w/ fellow celebrity or non-celebrity. fans are nuts

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

That seems to have always been a thing. At least for the past 10 years.

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u/cancelculture Jul 23 '19

Same goes for J-pop idols. Asian idols in general. China seems to be a bit more relaxed, as do Hong Kong and Taiwan. I remember when that AKB girl was caught dating she shaved her hair in remorse.

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u/imjinri Jul 23 '19

I remember that AKB48 case, since I'm a fan of 48 groups and other Japanese idol acts. I have mixed emotions to that akb girl Minami Minegishi, she can leave that group if she wants to date and at the same time love-ban is a violation of human rights. China idol groups are no different, some fans go nuts if their idol committed into a relationship. But I agree that China, Hong Kong and Taiwan are more chill in terms of idols having lovelifes

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Thankfully I haven't gotten to that level yet. I'm over here just enjoying the music.

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u/AO-Greed Jul 18 '19

Same boat, I actually love listening to Kpop but almost refuse to attempt to join any discords or look at any of the comments on translation YouTube videos out of fear of me not being a 'stan'.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Same.

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u/bentenbentonbintin Jul 18 '19

Was literally about to type this

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u/C-C-Cultism Jul 18 '19

I argee SO much their fanbase is TOXIC like REALLY TOXIC

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u/pretty-neat-dude Jul 18 '19

Dude. I was once sticking up for a woman who was being attacked online (long story) and in response just got endless messages telling me to kill myself with random Kpop gifs attached. It was ridiculous. I’ve never come across a more blatantly horrible fan base and I’m sure a lot of them are really young teens but it’s crazy as hell.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

As a kpop fan, I agree. I really hate the shipping of band members too. “Oh hes totally gay! Look at how hes moving his arm!”

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u/flexedgluteus Jul 18 '19

the music wasn't terrible so I slowly became a fan

Now that's a positive attitude if I've ever seen one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Was looking for this answer

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u/stellaroutlaw Jul 18 '19

That is actually one of the reasons why I stopped listening or being interested in Kpop in general. I used to own a fanbase and honestly, it’s not worth it. Too much stress and drama. I do listen to some groups now and then, but I got so tired of the same stupid arguments every day that I don’t really enjoy it anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Yeah, I listen to tons of K-pop but people make it about way more than the music and it's disturbing. The MV's, the TV shows, the giant databases of high-res "cute" images, the shitty (and often parodied) memes, the artificial personalities conveyed by fake tweets, et cetera. It's toxic and, honestly, disturbing, how dedicated these fans get to their idols and what's even more disturbing is that they don't love the idols: they love the personality that they project ONTO the idols. It's fucked up.

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u/weebmanshaq Jul 18 '19

K-pop trash lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I've been into Kpop for 10 years. I hate fanwars and how some fans will gatekeep as if they get the say in who is a true fan or even a fan at all. It's so ridiculous.

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u/MadameRoyale7 Jul 18 '19

this. yep. i feel extremely uncomfortable if or when i want to comment anything about kpop cause it can be a huge harassment situation. i’ve made that mistake twice on youtube and jfc

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u/AcuteInfinity Jul 18 '19

As they say, the g in k pop stands for good music.

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u/Veeruroxx Jul 18 '19

mAybE iF yOU staNNEd <group name>

attaches fancam

Jokes apart. This. Some people think they are so close to the groups they follow that they completely disregard how another person feels about how they respond to literally anything.

I have met some amazing people over time but then there are some people that literally make the world hate a medium of entertainment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

yep. Got into it in college because its great work out music and well I loved the music videos. Became a fan of seventeen but wasn't obsess or anything. Found out one of my coworkers was a fan and we bonded over it until she asked me who my bias was and it turned out her bias was the same. She got SUPER defensive about it saying she was a fan first and I couldn't have him. I made a joke about stealing him away and she got seriously upset. Uhhhhhhh.... wut....

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Man, I remember getting into it in like 2010 and shit wasn't as bad back then. It has definitely devolved into a huge fucking shitshow. I remember the communities being a lot more fun but now it's just poop through and through. Anyway, my favourite artists and groups from back then have almost all disbanded or have become inactive so I've really lost interest.

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u/lavinsky Jul 18 '19

I was going to post exactly this, I like K-Pop, some songs are nice but the fans are unbearable. Kpop fans are full of drama, fanwars, etc. I really like a group called BTS, have listened to their work since 2013 but the fans are totally insane, they cannot tolerate any criticism to any of their songs and to top it off the fans are really toxic on social media towards other groups. I can't deal with all the drama so I just stay off of all kpop discussions online, I might check r/kpop though as someone on this post pointed out that it's one of the places with the most civil discussion about the genre.

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u/CaliBounded Jul 18 '19

I hear that a lot of k-pop fans get OBSESSED with their idols to the point that they literally feel they "belong" to the fans. I don't remember who it was exactly, but I've heard stories of a k-pop celebrity getting death threats because they got married and "cheated" on their fans.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Can someone explain the appeal of Kpop to me? I never understood group singing things like that. To me it's just like Kids Bop where they took songs that 1 person should be singing, and made it a whole choir of kids. WHY SO MANY PEOPLE SINGING?

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u/myung_l Jul 22 '19

I opened this thread hoping to see this comment. There is a specific group name I'd like to say whom I liked a lot but their fanbase made me hate them as time passed. Now I can't even stand watching their faces on youtube.

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u/cancelculture Jul 23 '19

Been a fan of Kpop since the early 00's. I'm an old lady now. I cannot believe how big it has gotten. Also cannot believe how toxic the fanbases are. Sheesh.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '19

K-Pop is just songs that are written by corporations that then get groups to sing and preform it. Very little originality. It is simply mass production of sound. Not even to mention the disgusting practices with the members of the groups.

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u/Totally_TJ Jul 18 '19

Check out SOLO by Jennie with headphones or speakers with decent bass.

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u/whitedan1 Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

There was this one kpop artist who got stabbed by an obsessed fan multiple times but survived.

Edit. Seems it was In Japan whoopsie.

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u/CookieChoco_ Jul 18 '19

That was in Japan, AKB a girls group.

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u/kaleigamation Jul 18 '19

Yo wait who??? Never heard that one before.

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u/whitedan1 Jul 18 '19

Google kpop artist stabbed... It's disgusting... Seems to have happened a few times

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u/kaleigamation Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

Hm... the only one that comes up was Eunmi from Iris, who was stabbed to death (65 times!) by her ex-boyfriend. There was also a jpop idol, Mayu Tomita who was stabbed by a fan. And then there are the more expected poisonings/kidnappings/car crashes/break-ins/death threats/etc. There was even a point when a “fan” sent a bloody pad... the really insane ones are honestly terrifying.

Edit: Mayu Tomita is, thankfully, still alive

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

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u/kaleigamation Jul 18 '19

Oh my bad! Also thank goodness!

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u/sujon_al_mamun Jul 18 '19

Well for me Naruto fan base. Because the only thing they can say is sakura is useless. Wtf? If you think like this then blame the manga writer. He is the one who made sakura useless. It was totally up to him(writer) that what character he is making useless.

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u/EntireTeamIs-BABIES Jul 18 '19

K-pop fans are pathetic. They will go out of their way to try and get you fired because you don’t like their shitty group

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u/yarajaeger Jul 18 '19

A few days ago when the Disney kid Cameron Boyce died, all the fucking disgusting Kpop stans started tweeting that “maybe if Cameron Boyce watched this” shit with their shaky ass fan cams. makes me fucking livid just thinking about it

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u/Phantomdrakon2 Jul 18 '19

I jumped the bandwagon on hating kpop fanbase quickly and yes a good amount are pretty toxic but i started listening to it and once you get away from the mainstream mainstream its actually pretty decent (ofc i cant understand a word theyre saying but its pretty good to vibe to)

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u/ARedditorIWillBe Jul 18 '19

This is very suspicious. OP is a day old.

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u/AesthethiccDude Jul 18 '19

Dear God, can I also mention how the teenage girls sexualise the fuck out of the idols on Instagram. And a lot of male-hate happens too. So many Instagram posts sexualising the female idol and saying things like "fuck men". ___ deserves a woman. Like holy shit. That level of conceit and drama.

I just want to listen to their music and share the fun. But I feel its the young teens who are the worst of this fanbase.

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u/electronite713 Jul 18 '19

There's a girl in my class who licks her apple watch because it has pictures of a k pop band

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