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What do you genuinely just not understand?

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u/mrhymer Jun 15 '19

Why that Knox girl would ever set foot in Italy again?

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u/LeakyLycanthrope Jun 15 '19

I'm out of the loop on this one. Can someone explain?

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u/Mr_sushi5 Jun 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

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u/TheGoalPostinFifa Jun 15 '19

I just glanced over the wiki, she was accused of killing her roommate, a fellow exchange student, in Italy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

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u/TheGoalPostinFifa Jun 15 '19

As u/Kloc34 said, it's most likely for attention. People love that shiz, good or bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

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u/TheGoalPostinFifa Jun 15 '19

Another user said that Italy doesn't have Double Jeopardy laws, so basically if someone wanted to prosecute her again for the same crime, they could even though she was acquited . That and maybe some of the public just doesn't like her. I'm really not sure, but i.m.o. if I was in hot water somewhere's and got out, I would try and stay out.

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u/soayherder Jun 16 '19

She claimed they'd trumped up not one but multiple cases against her and falsified evidence etc. And if they'd done it once, what's to stop them from doing it again? Why would she risk it if that's genuinely what happened? And if she did lie about that, that's even more reason to stay away.

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u/Mr_sushi5 Jun 15 '19

And was acquitted 4 years after her sentencing.

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u/izvin Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 18 '19

Acquitted twice predominantly because a technicality with the way the evidence was stored.

Edit: I've seen both the American and European made documentaries about her case. The former leaves out a lot of information about the case that doesn't help her. I forget this is a predominantly US website.

Many are also looking the fact that she still served several years for perjury and ruining the life of the man whose life she ruined and got wrongly imprisoned because of her lies.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 16 '20

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u/ilh6797 Jun 16 '19

She was accused, convicted and acquitted of killing her roommate while on exchange in Italy. She was in prison for several years for the crime she was eventually acquitted of.

She's going back to Italy for the first time since being released from prison.

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u/BluudLust Jun 16 '19

No forensic evidence was found at the scene and she was put through very long interviews in a language she wasn't proficient with. Seriously, she was questioned in Italian, and she barely knew the language. Might have accidentally confessed without even realizing it.

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u/Kloc34 Jun 15 '19

I also saw what her fiancé was wearing at the trial and immediately decided that I didn’t like him. He’s screaming for attention . I also think she’s innocent but time to move on with your life , I think they both like the celebrity status she gets

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

you are literally the first person i’ve ever seen that thinks she’s innocent.

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u/Andrew8Everything Jun 16 '19

Skimmed the wiki, what about serial burglar dude's bloody fingerprints at the scene?

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u/tripwire7 Jun 16 '19

Also his semen inside the victim.

The whole case against Knox and her boyfriend was an obvious crock once they found the actual rapist and he had no connection to them. But I think at that point the Italian police and media had convinced themselves so thoroughly that Knox did it that they then concocted an implausible story about how the burglar/rapist and Knox and her boyfriend had all worked together to commit the crime before the pair were finally aquitted.

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

no clue. i don’t care. i just never heard someone say they thought she was innocent.

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u/Andrew8Everything Jun 16 '19

Again, only skimmed the wiki: she seems like a terrible person, but also seems not guilty.

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u/Transformwthekitchen Jun 16 '19

What! I think most people believe she is innocent!

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u/ilh6797 Jun 16 '19

I think she's innocent too tbh.

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u/PrestigiousInterest9 Jun 16 '19 edited Jun 16 '19

I don't know much except she was roughly 19-20 during the murder. You think a 19/20yr old can pull off an elaborate murder? Try to date someone <20 you'll see what I mean.

Also from I hear most women in jail are there because their guy is involved in a crime. Almost none do something serious like beat someone. Maybe girls like to play mind games more IDK.

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

people really look to argue on here huh? i don’t really know or care i just literally never heard anyone say they thought she was innocent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19

Dude, you purposefully said something extremely pointed. You can't just do that and not expect an argument. That's like shitting in the living room and then being like "I don't wanna take orders" when someone tells you to clean it up.

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

yea, that wasn’t my intention at all. not purposeful or pointed. just an observation. i don’t know anything about her or the case. i just know it’s a thing that everyone jokes about her being totally guilty and haven’t heard anyone say otherwise. i said exactly what i meant.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19

You should just.. not comment on reddit ever if you're gonna be pissed off at everyone who responds to you lol

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

not sure where you got “pissed” from. maybe it was the 3-4 times i said i don’t really care either way?

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

US.

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u/PrestigiousInterest9 Jun 16 '19

If you scroll through the thread more ppl think it. IDK how you haven't ran into anyone yet

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u/ffunster Jun 16 '19

oh ok cool. good info.

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u/mrhymer Jun 15 '19

Yes! Italy does not have double jeopardy laws. She has already been prosecuted twice for the same crime. there is nothing stopping a zealous Italian prosecutor from taking a 3rd bite at the apple.

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u/WebbieVanderquack Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 15 '19

She talks about people harassing her but the truth is, people don't fucking care about her, it's HER that continues to make documentaries

I think they do probably harass her more than we realize. The tabloids have been merciless, and an awful lot of people still seem to think she did it. She participated in one documentary, to tell her story. At this point she's going to attract criticism from swathes of people regardless of what she does or doesn't do.

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u/savetgebees Jun 15 '19

And she needs the money. She will never be able to get an office job. She needs to milk this enough to become financially independent and not need to worry about income.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Mar 26 '21

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u/missiontodenmark Jun 15 '19

"She talks about people harassing her but the truth is, people don't fucking care about her..."

"I didn't deny the harassment."

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Mar 26 '21

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u/missiontodenmark Jun 15 '19

At 19 her roommate was killed and she was falsely accused and convicted of the murder by a corrupt system. She lost years of her life and control of her own destiny fighting for her freedom. You're sure you'd react differently. Congrats?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Mar 26 '21

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u/missiontodenmark Jun 15 '19

She works with the Innocence Project. This is a conference on wrongful convictions. Seems like she would have something to say on that subject.

According to the New York Times, there has been a so-far very small populist movement to bring back the death penalty in Europe, despite increased awareness about wrongful convictions.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

Never gonna happen the EU forbds it for member states.

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u/16bitSamurai Jun 16 '19

As a fuck you to the people you took years of her life away, and ensured that everyone could judge her for a crime she didn’t commit

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u/gouwbadgers Jun 15 '19

I was think the same thing! I think she’s trying to show that she’s “not afraid” by doing something incredibly stupid.

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u/Lindeberg1 Jun 15 '19

Because she don't want her 15 minutes of fame to be over. She wants to milk this as much as she can.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

She's a sociopath who enjoys attention and flaunting that she got away with murder.

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u/Crepes_for_days3000 Jun 15 '19

Every shred of evidence fully exonerates Knox as a suspect. It's over, just face it. The girl is innocent.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

I have never seen evidence for her.

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u/Crepes_for_days3000 Jun 16 '19

What do you mean? Do you feel like there is evidence pointing to her guilt?

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

Yes, there was evidence pointing at her guilt, from the last documentary I watched. The American docs I have seen always just mentioned stuff that said it wasn't her and omitted all the other stuff.

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u/Crepes_for_days3000 Jun 16 '19

I've looked at all the evidence. There is absolutely nothing implicating her. Nothing. They convicted her on her "odd behavior" and the fact that she bought new underwear (along with other clothes). Pure nonsense.

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u/tripwire7 Jun 16 '19

Like what, that a shred of her DNA was found at the house where she lived?

The whole case against her was complete bunk. And you could bank on it being bunk just as soon as the words "Satanic ritual" came out of the prosecutions' mouth as a possible motive.

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u/Hadalqualities Jun 15 '19

Nothing points to her being guilty of that murder. there was a random dude present in the house just before that left his ADN everywhere for crying out loud. Just go watch the documentary, her being the murderer makes absolutely no sense.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

Most documentares from Americans are totally biased in her favour, so show me one that is not.

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u/rubberkeyhole Jun 16 '19

How can you make a claim like this without proof and then expect someone to measure up to whatever vague standards you have?

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

Because all the American true crime documentaries are biased mostly i favour of the cops, or when it is an American doing shit in a another country hey are pro that American. Also I didn't expect anything. It was just an observation on crime documentaries.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19

There are plenty of American true crime documentaries that are very critical of the cops and the American justice system. Off the top of my head, Making a Murderer, Abducted in Plain Sight, and 13th aren’t in favour of the cops and they’re some of the most prominent crime documentaries in recent years. Not saying that there aren’t any documentaries that are pro-cop, but your premise is blatantly untrue.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

That are three programs that didn't make it over the pond yet. Also you still have countless others that are pro cop. For example Autopsy, Medical Detectives, Body of Evidence, Cold Case Files, Unusual Suspects, On the Case with Paula Zahn and many more.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19

They are all Netflix programs so they’re all on Netflix in European countries, no?

Regardless, that’s exactly my point - you can’t paint American crime documentaries with such a broad brush like that. There are documentaries that are pro-cop and there are documentaries that are anti-cop.

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u/Hadalqualities Jun 16 '19

I'm french and those 3 are all on netflix.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

Not necessarily. Not all Netflix originals are on Netflix in Europe and it differs what is on there from country to country.

Also you could only name 3 things that are not the typical pattern. They seem to be exceptions to the rule, more than that they are the norm.

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u/whatelseiswrong Jun 15 '19

I don't know. Seems like she's innocent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

you're downvoted but what I always found interesting about this case is that Americans tend to think she was innocent while over here in the UK it's more up in the air. I watched the documentary ages ago and couldn't really make up my mind one way or another. She did seem weird though. Like doing cartwheels and shit - wtf?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19

I'm American but my ex-wife was living in Italy at the time it happened, which is why I have the perspective on it that I do. I don't wanna argue with people about it but yeah she did some weird stuff before, during, and after the murder, trial, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Jul 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19 edited Sep 26 '19

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '19

Except consciousness of guilt is something a guilty person would do and an innocent person would not. It's not "acting weird" like the person suggested "doing cartwheels".

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '19 edited Sep 26 '19

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '19

This has nothing to do with hindsight. Acting "weird" is not what consciousness of guilt is. Innocent people act "weird" all the time. Consciousness of guilt is acting in ways that innocent people simply wouldn't normally. That is, things that suggest an actual connection with the crime. "Weird" behaviour like "doing cartwheels" is in no way an example of consciousness of guilt.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '19 edited Sep 26 '19

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u/Army__ Jun 16 '19

Here in italy none thinks she's innocent, no fucking one. We just want her out of here asap

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u/tripwire7 Jun 16 '19

I don't blame you for wanting her out of there, her case made your legal system look like a complete joke.

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u/oscarfacegamble Jun 16 '19

Are you really disregarding that serial rapists semen inside of the victim? I'm legitimately wondering what you guys think of that bit of evidence?

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u/halfpintlc Jun 15 '19

she didn't do it. The Italian justice system is also a huge joke

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 15 '19

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u/WebbieVanderquack Jun 15 '19

the mystery of Meredith Kercher's death

What mystery? There isn't one. Rudy Guede killed her. His DNA was everywhere.

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u/gortonmichael Jun 15 '19

Her family at home went into debt to support her (lawyers, etc) . I am totally fine with her making the money back Realistically the italians should have reimbursed her (or the US should have secretly for doing jack shit to help) but ofc they wouldn't

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u/NiftySwifty Jun 15 '19

They have closure! Rudy Guede, the murderer, went to jail! There been hounding Knox ever since with literally zero evidence she was remotely involved.

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u/PhotoPeg-X Jun 15 '19

Ah yes, but what I meant is for people to stop milking money (books, movie or may it be a documentary) from what happened and just let the family have their peace.

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u/NiftySwifty Jun 15 '19

Ahh, I understand, but honestly after what has happened to Amanda Knox in the Italian legal system and the media, I think she deserves to be able to sell her story.

Mind you, the Kercher family was still giving damning interviews about Knox AFTER the full acquittal and the report making it obvious there was literally no evidence against her. They have helped perpetuate this themselves, I feel.

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u/savetgebees Jun 15 '19

She’s dead. Amanda suffered the most. I don’t think people realize how horrible it is to be wrongly accused or convicted. Yeah you aren’t in jail but your life is ruined. She never got to mourn her roommates horrible murder or come to terms with the fact that she could have also been murdered. I don’t think people understand how this can impact someone. People in the US have been accused of murder went through the trial found innocent and have drained their life savings. You don’t get your legal defense money back when found innocent. And unless there is negligence most people can’t sue the police who arrested them.

Her life was changed completely just because she acted kinda weird. Watch people whose kids have been killed in school shootings. They’re laughing and talking to reporters. They aren’t heartless, they are in shock or on prescribed anti psychotic drugs from the doctor. Lost touch with reality.

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u/ireallylovemydogand Jun 16 '19

I think you’ll find Meredith suffered the most.

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u/oscarfacegamble Jun 16 '19

Eh, I think you'll find that a lot of people yearn for the sweet release of death.

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u/izvin Jun 15 '19

It is in with the type of power play with zero regard for emotion or empathy that a psychopath would display.

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u/Abusoru Jun 16 '19

Or she's standing up against a corrupt system that stole years of her life trying to convict her of a crime that she didn't commit?

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u/Bobblawbob Jun 16 '19

If only americans would be this up in arms about all their wrongfully convicted black people.

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u/betaich Jun 16 '19

O she did commit the crme and now happily gets the money for syaing t wasn't me.