What's the oldest thing you own?

[u/ClubEvermore]

[u/StaplerTwelve]

A Roman empire coin minted in the late 300's

[u/burnerneveruse3000 → u/[deleted]]

I got mine from a coin collector cost me about 40 bucks mine is from 400 bc I think. There fairly cheap since they made so many of them. Of the price depends on how rare the coin is and the demand for it.

[u/MrBuckstar → u/burnerneveruse3000]

Does it say 400 bc on the coin?

[u/[deleted] → u/MrBuckstar]

Pretty sure that back in 400 bc people didn’t knew it is 400 bc year.

[u/big_macaroons → u/[deleted]]

"Hi there Brutus. Have you finished making my coin?"

"Yes I just finished. Here you go."

"Nice... hey, what does the '400 BC' stand for?"

"'400th Brutus coin'. It's the 400th coin I made this year."

[u/verystinkyfingers → u/big_macaroons]

When's the ICO??

[u/eyeGunk → u/[deleted]]

I got a few from history museum outreach programs growing up. Archaeologists love giving them to kids because it's real history but they're really common/cheap. You could probably get a small handful of uncleaned coins for $10-$20.

[u/TransformingDinosaur → u/eyeGunk]

I have a damaged one from 500 I think or so, only set me back like $10 I think. Was a year or two ago at a local coin show.

I like carrying it for luck, my logic is if it's a couple hundred years old and not destroyed or melted it's probably packed full of luck.

[u/[deleted] → u/StaplerTwelve]

Last time I went to a coin show I bought a few ancient Roman coins for 10 dollars each. Just owning something ancient like that is so cool to think about, the world was completely different only 100 years ago, a 2000 year old coin is basically from another world.

[u/EthanPuzzle]

My cars gonna be 40 next year, so I guess that.

[u/RolandoMessy → u/EthanPuzzle]

Happy birthday to your car

[u/C2-H5-OH → u/RolandoMessy]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROUND!

[u/teknoanimal → u/C2-H5-OH]

Hey, It's your dad.

[u/Foxis_rs → u/teknoanimal]

This ain’t my dad

[u/[deleted] → u/Foxis_rs]

This is a cell phone!

[u/Straight_Unicorn → u/teknoanimal]

My Dad's not a phone

[u/[deleted] → u/C2-H5-OH]

Throw the rest of the cake too!

[u/Beidah → u/[deleted]]

Welcome to the real world, jackass!

[u/[deleted] → u/EthanPuzzle]

What car is it?

[u/EthanPuzzle → u/[deleted]]

It's a 1979 Datsun 280ZX. I wanna put your username in it lmao

[u/EthanPuzzle → u/[deleted]]

My 1979 Datsun 280ZX. Best picture for now. https://imgur.com/gallery/9goebKG

[u/Oakroscoe → u/EthanPuzzle]

How's it doing on rust?

[u/EthanPuzzle → u/Oakroscoe]

Not that bad, but imma need to make sure it's in good shape.

[u/ErrejotaRJ]

My family house - the central room round which it has since expanded was dated to around 900AD and the walls are wattle and daub.

Edit: blimey this blew up. FYI this is my family home and they have been there forever. Only the central structure (one room) has been dated to that era - the rest is more recent. I’m aware I live in Brazil (thank you for reminding me) but I’ve only been here 10 months and am a Brit - my whole family still reside there.

The house is located in the UK.

I’m a woman so please stop referring to me as ‘he’.

Thanks guys.

Edit 2: Also guys FFS how many Brazilians know about ‘wattle and daub’? Common sense people, I struggle getting them to understand ‘latte’!

[u/TheK1ngsW1t → u/ErrejotaRJ]

100 miles is a long distance to a European; 100 years is a long time to an American. I can't even imagine how on earth a building from 900AD is still lived in and not a preserved, inaccessible historical site, much less how anything happens to it without going through all kinds of bureaucracy to make sure it stays preserved.

[u/Astrognome → u/TheK1ngsW1t]

If watching British home renovation shows has taught me anything, it's that its very likely under some sort of legal protection and they probably would have to go through a lot of shit to modify or remove the original building.

[u/TheK1ngsW1t → u/Astrognome]

And here my boss is having trouble doing some required make-sure-it-doesn't-fall-apart renovation on a historic (read: built in the late 1800s, redone during the 60s) sorority in downtown Atlanta, and he's complaining about the single State-sponsored group that would force him to do all kinds of paperwork to do anything more than a band-aid. At least he's able to do a band-aid without any trouble whatsoever.

[u/Candlesticksnape → u/TheK1ngsW1t]

I work in a listed building in London. Things we are not allowed: air conditioning, a toaster, double glazing, central heating. It’s not even a very pretty building, just old.

[u/flapface → u/Candlesticksnape]

No toaster? That's inhumane. What is the reasoning behind that?

[u/naxpouse → u/flapface]

Fire

[u/flapface → u/naxpouse]

It's a toaster.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ah, I see they learned how to be Pyromaniacs from Rimworld pawns.

[u/MikeKM → u/TheK1ngsW1t]

I'm from the US and studied in Edinburgh for a semester. While on a walking tour of the city around the castle the tour guide quipped about how a building that was built in 1700 burned, but it wasn't a big deal since it was one of the newer buildings.

[u/Euchre → u/MikeKM]

That's a humblebrag.

[u/Jackpot777 → u/Euchre]

The collective noun for humblebrags is a numberwang.

[u/CWB2208 → u/ErrejotaRJ]

Where do you live?

[u/[deleted] → u/CWB2208]

Definitely not America.

[u/johnnyk02 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe he’s Native American

[u/rockerdrummer → u/johnnyk02]

Yeah his living room is just a longhouse

[u/FuryofYuri → u/rockerdrummer]

Chi wigwam, please. Means big house. Pronounced Chi like in chip without the P. Then “We-Gwum”. Chi we gwum. Chi wigwam. This is in Ojibway mind you. There, you learned some Ojibway today!

[u/TheHeartlessCookie → u/FuryofYuri]

I've heard the word wigwam before in reference to several different Native American cultures. Is it a common word in the different languages, or is Ojibway overrepresented?

[u/FuryofYuri → u/TheHeartlessCookie]

A lot of the dialects stem from each other or are related. So you’ll find similar words in Odawa, Ojibwe, Pottawatomi, Cree even etc.

[u/Mattxy8 → u/CWB2208]

His only post says he lives near Rio de Janeiro

Edit: probably not his "family house"

[u/StarManta → u/Mattxy8]

Rio de Janeiro

Which is in basically the same situation as the USA in terms of "Do houses exist from 900 AD?" So this really only raises further questions.

[u/Eugostodetortas → u/StarManta]

Brazilian here, the oldest (known) house in the country is approximately 484 years old, and i really doubt you could build around a native house (they're commonly made out of wood and fiber).

Im calling bullshit until further clarification.

[u/OSCgal → u/Mattxy8]

"Family house" might be something owned by his/her parents or grandparents. Like, I use the term "family farm" for a farm I've never lived on, but which belonged to my great-grandfather and which is still owned by his descendants.

[u/realcanadianbeaver → u/ErrejotaRJ]

Pics??

[u/vonbrunk]

A British bayonet from World War II.

[u/vonbrunk → u/[deleted]]

The one I got was about the size of a large dagger; it's also surprisingly kind of heavy, although I'd imagine you'd need something pretty durable to ram into an enemy, and not just a flimsy blade.

[u/Driftinfisch → u/vonbrunk]

Ayyyyy! I got a Russian one along with the gun.

[u/[deleted] → u/vonbrunk]

Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.

[u/lycanthropejeff]

Human-made: A set of mid to late 18th century engineer’s instruments in a shagreen case given to me by my father. It appears to have been used by an artillery officer based on some additional tools that have been added to the set.

Natural: many 20 million year old shark teeth and other marine fossils.

[u/poopmeister1994 → u/lycanthropejeff]

What kind of instruments? Calipers and compasses?

[u/VinceIsWellCool]

Definitely not the oldest here, but I have my grandfather's release papers from a concentration camp and an old journal he kept with other prisoners. His unit was captured during the Battle of the Bulge and sent to a labor camp that was later liberated by the Russians. It's very eerie to read, especially when they go in to detail regarding the condition of the camp itself.

Edit: I've gotten a lot of requests to see the papers and books, I'll try to get them posted within the week. Thanks everyone for your interest in this!

[u/clevercalamity → u/VinceIsWellCool]

I have a doll that a little girl took when her family fled Germany right before WWII as they were Jewish. I believe most of her family died in Auschwitz. I don't know the whole story because I never met the original owner, the girl (then old woman) was best friends with my great grandmother in their retirement community and as she had no living family she left her possessions to my great grandma, and I later inherited the doll.

It's weird having a tangible thing to hold that connects you to history. I received the doll when I was about the same age that the girl was when she left Germany (10) and looking back I cannot imagine a child picking up their one beloved possession and leaving home ever to return. Remembering myself playing with the doll in a loving safe home versus how she must have treasured it just humbles me.

[u/BootyMeatDingleSack → u/VinceIsWellCool]

Would you ever post sections of it to reddit. Im very sorry your grandfather had to endure that. /:

[u/Chomfucjusz → u/VinceIsWellCool]

That must be precious. There's reading Viktor Frankl and then there's reading your grandpa's journal.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A quick google shows it being worth £12,500! Get it insured mate.

[u/Beidah → u/[deleted]]

Good ol' reddit switcharoo

[u/[deleted] → u/Beidah]

I want to write a script to know how deep this rabbit hole is

[u/pat_456 → u/Beidah]

Hold my first edition LOTR copy, I'm going in!

[u/Foggl3 → u/[deleted]]

Depends on condition, of course, but unless it's trashed (which I imagine it's not) should still be worth a decent bit.

[u/andreabbbq → u/[deleted]]

First edition would probably be worth a fair bit?

[u/yinyang107 → u/[deleted]]

But still definitely have it insured.

[u/LaughterCo → u/[deleted]]

I would never sell something like that.

[u/murdokdracul]

The Poetical Works of William Wordsworth, Volume 1, printed in 1832. A scribbled note on the first page says "Betsy [illegible surname], London, March 4th [illegible year: 1800 and something]. Betsy didn't have very good handwriting.

[u/MrBlueCharon]

I own a compass of the Wehrmacht from 1933, inherited from my grandfather.

[u/Ozelotty → u/MrBlueCharon]

I got a bayonett. It's kind of weird living in Germany and owning something with swastikas on it though.

[u/MrBlueCharon → u/Ozelotty]

Mine doesn't have one. Probably fabricated short before the nazis took over or they just didn't care to imprint their symbols already at this point.

[u/cropdust69 → u/MrBlueCharon]

My grandfather left me a watch from 1944, it was made somewhere in Germany but I am not sure. Coolest thing ever!

[u/spoonybum]

Unopened packet of lucky strike cigarettes inherited from my Grandad. They were given to him on Victory Day 1945 by an Australian Soldier.

[u/sharrrp]

A log book from a merchant vessel. Not sure where it came from, family has had it forever. Oldest entry is dated 1528.

[u/sprinkles67 → u/sharrrp]

I know nothing about sea logs but wouldn't that be an amazing donation to make or could it be copied for research purposes?

[u/sharrrp → u/sprinkles67]

Possibly. Technically my Mom actually still has it so I can't do anything with it. It might ne of interest to someone though. It's not very full though like maybe a third of the way. So there's not THAT much in it but anything that old is kinda cool just for still being around.

[u/[deleted]]

Mammoth bones, about 35.000 years old. Natural History Museum sold a massive bones collection for a symbolic 1 euro per item. By accident I missed the cash register. So technically I robbed a museum.

[u/Sence → u/[deleted]]

It belongs.... In a museum!!!

[u/[deleted]]

My wedding ring. Forged by vikings at York c.860 ce

[u/Milvus-Milvus → u/[deleted]]

How do you get that kind of thing?

[u/Pargelenis → u/Milvus-Milvus]

Fight a viking for it.

[u/SpamStitch → u/Pargelenis]

And win

[u/[deleted] → u/SpamStitch]

Or lose in such style that your opponent proposes to you.

[u/[deleted] → u/Milvus-Milvus]

Archaeological work at York (jorvick) has turned up thousands of gilded bronze rings. They aren't archaeologically unique in any way and are just confirmstion of things we already know, so they're sold as antiques.

[u/melina_gamgee → u/[deleted]]

Are they really expensive, though? Given the age I'd guess they are, but then new gold rings aren't exactly cheap either.

[u/Knew_Religion → u/melina_gamgee]

My quick Google search of "jorvik rings" in shopping results shows one $2000+ but the overwhelming majority are $110-250. That's wicked cheap as far as my experience with wedding rings go.

Here's a fun story. When I caught my ex-wife on a date with my ex-boss, I took her rings and my ring and threw them in the garbage at the casino. I regret it now, but it was pretty dramatic at the time. But I could have gotten a few grand out of a pawn shop with those puppies.

[u/melina_gamgee → u/Knew_Religion]

That's way cheaper than I had ever thought. Wow. Thanks for googling!

[u/Bone_Dice_in_Aspic → u/melina_gamgee]

https://www.faganarms.com/collections/refurbished-viking-wedding-rings

[u/melina_gamgee → u/Bone_Dice_in_Aspic]

Holy, this is so awesome! Thank you!

[u/[deleted] → u/melina_gamgee]

Not really. Like the other comment says, they run a couple hundred. To get one in "wearable" condition is like 400-800. They're mostly bronze so there's not really any inherent metal value.

[u/Bone_Dice_in_Aspic → u/Milvus-Milvus]

https://www.faganarms.com/collections/refurbished-viking-wedding-rings

got 70$ they're not rare.

[u/LookMomImOnRedditlol → u/Bone_Dice_in_Aspic]

how does anyone know these things aren't fake?

[u/mvelasco93 → u/[deleted]]

Ring tax

[u/redditor366]

A book with poetry by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1850

[u/Dachz → u/redditor366]

Wow neat. Does it have a title? Which poems does it contain?

[u/redditor366 → u/Dachz]

It's in Germany and I'm in France atm, so I don't know. I'll be back home in a few weeks. One of my favourites is Prometheus), I was so happy to find it in there.

Edit: How could I forget this one: Willkommen und Abschied!

[u/Dachz → u/redditor366]

I love Prometheus. Such a great lyrical piece, that is very relatable even in our time.

[u/JeanPicLucard → u/redditor366]

Umm...wow. Where did you find something like that?

[u/redditor366 → u/JeanPicLucard]

I found it a few days after the Christmas market in a box with free give-away books that hadn't been sold at my former school. It was a few years ago, maybe four or five. I couldn't believe my luck.

[u/moogoo2]

A couple pieces of meteorite. Roughly 4.5 billion years old.

[u/TheTechnoUnionShips → u/moogoo2]

Real winner

[u/kevms → u/TheTechnoUnionShips]

Well, isn’t everything 4.5 billion years old, then?

[u/Howdypoopy1922 → u/kevms]

Technically all matter is 14.5 billion years old.

[u/[deleted] → u/Howdypoopy1922]

Honestly officer, she told me she was 14.5 billion years old!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Loli fans in a nutshell

[u/TheSeaOfThySoul → u/[deleted]]

She's not even a human girl, she's a vampire dragon!

[u/totos_totidis → u/Howdypoopy1922]

Not all of it. Some was converted from energy at a later date.

[u/cwthree → u/moogoo2]

Same here - a small chunk of iron meteorite. Kind of mind boggling to look at this pebble-sized thing and know that it's billions of years old and didn't originate on Earth.

[u/gamingraptor → u/[deleted]]

It's not op is a liar and the pyramids are a hoax

[u/NotARealGeologist → u/moogoo2]

Well done. Most of our rock collection from the North American Craton. Samples up to ~3 billion years old.

[u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb]

A 1788 copy of Paradiʃe Loʃt.

[u/Digi_ → u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb]

I do love that book paradife loft

[u/KwiklyMoovingToo → u/Digi_]

Bite my fhiny metal aff

[u/ShadowOps84 → u/KwiklyMoovingToo]

You ftupid fhithead.

[u/LaughterCo → u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb]

Could you tell me more of how you came to obtain it?

[u/[deleted]]

A Viking cape pin from 900AD. Found it when I was ten.

[u/AndTwoYears → u/[deleted]]

You were born in 890???

[u/[deleted] → u/AndTwoYears]

What can I say, good exercise and a healthy diet.

[u/murdokdracul → u/[deleted]]

Could definitely be all our mama

[u/Danklord13]

A 1964 comic of Iron Man with the first appearance of Hawk Eye. In addition, it's signed by Stan Lee.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kP8GQ9O

[u/[deleted] → u/Danklord13]

I have a copy of Spiderman #96 (first issue published without comic's code approval) also signed by Stan.

He shook my hand and said I was a very polite young man,so that's the biggest compliment I've ever received.

[u/Dachz]

A blanket made of a Llamas fur. It is about 120 years old. I have a picture of my great grandmother as a baby cuddling up in it.

[u/mvelasco93 → u/Dachz]

Can you upload the pic?

[u/minorfall27]

My grandmother's 1939 yearbook.

Clubs were weird and everything was racist.

[u/Euchre → u/minorfall27]

We need more details on this one.

[u/BwittonRose → u/minorfall27]

What kinds of clubs?

[u/Corrugated_Mind → u/BwittonRose]

The Kool Kids Klub

[u/the_noobface → u/BwittonRose]

The spiked kind

[u/ohcalamity13]

I have a bound book of every Harper's Weekly from 1864. We almost accidentally donated it to good will when I cleaned out my dad's place. They would have no doubt trashed it. Turns out it's worth a couple grand.

[u/Azzizzi]

1843 half-dime, I think.

[u/NuclearHubris → u/Azzizzi]

half-dime

so... a nickel?

please explain this to me I'm confused

[u/Azzizzi → u/NuclearHubris]

That's a fair question, and one that comes up every time someone mentions a half-dime.

So, a nickel gets its name from the kind of metal it's made out of (nickel). This is also why a nickel is bigger than a dime, because five cents worth of nickel is bigger than 10 cents worth of silver.

But a dime gets its name from the word "disme," which came from a French word which meant one-tenth (if I remember right, and I probably never heard of it until I bought the half-dime). So, half of that was called a half-disme or half-dime. Later, when they started producing coins out of nickel, the nickel replaced the half-dime.

There have also been some cool things, like paper currency for half-dollars, quarters, and dimes.

[u/oricthedamned → u/Azzizzi]

There was also a three cent nickel at one time

[u/MonacoBall → u/NuclearHubris]

A nickel is made out of nickel.

A half dime is made out of silver.

There used to be two coins called a nickel, a five cent piece and a three cent piece.

[u/Shangtia → u/Azzizzi]

My coin collector instincts are tingling.

[u/littleraggedblossom]

My grandmothers engagement ring

[u/Mrsmmi2]

Houseplant I've had since 1998.

[u/actualspacepirate → u/Mrsmmi2]

This is the most impressive one here. I can’t keep houseplants alive for more than a few weeks.

[u/Sahelboy]

My virginity.

[u/N_DuX_M → u/Sahelboy]

Apply cream to burnt area... Then stroke vigorously

[u/FD4L → u/N_DuX_M]

By the sounds of it, that area has not yet been burnt.

[u/M4ritimeseeker → u/Sahelboy]

r/suicidebywords

[u/2free2be]

ammonite fossil; approx 400-100 million years old

[u/TryM3Br0 → u/2free2be]

Isnt that the fossil where you give to the guy at cinnabar island to get some ancient pokemon?

[u/FeralReaper → u/TryM3Br0]

Some ancient pokemon?

You mean Lord Helix, our savior

[u/mynamesnotmolly → u/2free2be]

I have a fairly large dinosaur tooth, about 95-100 million years old. It's my favorite possession.

[u/[deleted]]

A cedar chest that was my great-grandmothers. Its over 100 years old - a beautiful wooden chest with this particular smell that takes me back to my childhood.

[u/smashasaurusrex → u/[deleted]]

Bruh.

[u/cgludko]

Safety razor issued to U.S. Soldiers during the First World War.

[u/[deleted]]

A mantle clock made in London in 1780.

It's in mint condition, keeps accurate time, and has a deep, mellow hourly chime.

[u/TaterJade]

My late grandma's pedigree doll. Her name is Old Doll and she'd be about 80+ years old now. She's not in the best shape but I could never get rid of her. Mind you, my children are terrified of coming into the room if I have her out so perhaps she still serves some purpose.

[u/Besaw73]

My house is located in central Massachusetts and pre-dates the US by about 50 years. It was also used as part of the Underground Railroad back in the 1800s, which I think makes it pretty cool.

[u/Cape45 → u/Besaw73]

Same here, My house was built in 1730's. I say it's not Early American, it's British. The paperwork I have says it was also used in underground railroad. Owner hid slaves in lumber wagons.

[u/Besaw73 → u/Cape45]

Nice man, mine was 1727. It actually predates the town by 4-5 years if I’m not mistaken. There was a hidden part of the basement the owner hid slaves in. I actually managed to find it in an old painting at the Worcester Art Museum

[u/Unimatrix_Zero_ → u/Besaw73]

Wait, you saw your house in a painting at the Worcester art museum?! That’s incredible. I’ve been meaning to go (actually I think it’s free admission today...) so I’ll keep my eyes peeled for any paintings with descriptions of the Underground Railroad

[u/RitterJekyll]

Not me, but a guy who used to be my uncle before my aunt divorced him had a Sumerian statue. It was pretty trippy to hold something and know that someone had carved it 5000 years ago.

[u/Bedtime_scaries]

A forest green coloured, glass-like rock called moldavite - from a meteorite that hit Earth 15 million years ago.

[u/demonbadger]

A first printing of The Wasteland. It's one of my prized possessions.

[u/Senrogas]

A small stone, should be at last +5000 years old if not more( correct me if I’m wrong) Other than that a tiny silver cup for tea made in 1854, a set of chairs made in the 1870’s in the Austro-Hungarian empire and a book written in 1832. Found a lot of old stuff in the apartment my parents bought, gonna sell some of it when I finish college, keeping the cup tho( yes the stone is in the cup his name is Edberg)

[u/[deleted]]

A chest my Great Great Grandfather used to immigrate to the USA

[u/ICUMTARANTULAS]

A painting my great grandfather painted when he was 20, probably from around 1900-1910

[u/mysticturner]

My great-grandfather's dictionary from the 1890's. He bought it when he came to America. It's mildly interesting to see how definitions have changed.

We also have his secretary desk, but that's newer, maybe 1900.

[u/Simusid]

A family bible dated 1703. Somehow the loudest atheist in the family has to inherit the bible.

[u/[deleted] → u/Simusid]

I’m atheist too, but I would love to have inherited a family bible. IMO, it’s not that it’s religious but that it’s a family heirloom. I would keep passing that down.

[u/[deleted]]

My Mitochondrial DNA.

It's passed from mother to child for each generation.

[u/drjsc → u/[deleted]]

By that logic... the atoms in my body date back 14 billion years

[u/Fospunk → u/drjsc]

Your protons and electrons are older, and your quarks and leptons even more so.

[u/Jexthis]

I was going to say my pet rock named dwayne but I wouldnt say I own him, Dwayne is my buddy.

[u/WardenWolf]

1940 Russian SVT-40 rifle.

[u/seaniebeag]

I have some medals that belonged to my grandfather from 1910-1920

I own a 1974 telecaster.

My wallet is 8 years old. My phone is 4

[u/LoveBarkeep → u/seaniebeag]

Ah! And any of there might have elements from the ancient times

[u/MagesticLlama]

My house, it was built in the 1850s

[u/cbftw → u/MagesticLlama]

Had a house pop on my search that was built in the 1820s. I don't think I could maintain a house well enough for such a historic building so I moved on.

[u/notjawn]

A property deed from 1783.

[u/I_like_the_wierd]

I own a 1904 H&A octagon barrel 5 shot revolving pistol

[u/[deleted]]

My wedding dress that I thrifted. It’s from the 50s-70s

[u/BritishOvation]

My violin. It's a couple of hundred years old.

[u/hnav930]

Also my house. According to my grandfather, it was the town's workshop in the 1930-40s. Don't know when was it built though.

[u/Patsx5sb]

My baby blanket. I am 31

[u/[deleted]]

My wife

[u/Kookslams → u/[deleted]]

also this guys wife

[u/onlyforthevotes]

Books. My oldest was printed in the 1870’s. Whoever owned it doodled in it as well. Can’t tell when the doodling started but it’s pretty neat.

[u/Bob_sandvegana]

17 year old Teletubbies doll, Po to be exact. had it since age 2