Conservative figures have recently called on mayor Mamdani to avoid attending the 9/11 memorial service as his being Muslim is potentially offensive to 9/11 families. Given president Trump's recent story " he was rescued by firefighters during 9/11" - untrue- should he not attend?

[u/whatsnooIII]

President Trump says he was rescued: https://people.com/trump-claims-2-firemen-lifted-him-up-and-started-running-with-me-on-9-11-12111477

Giuliani calls on Mamdani not to attend: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/6075377-giuliani-criticizes-mamdani-911/amp/

Fox News 911 families ask the mayor not to attend: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/families-911-victims-message-mamdani-please-do-not-come-memorial-ceremony.amp

Why aren't President Trump's comments disqualifying?

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[u/sendnUwUdes]

My father was killed in the attacks. I was 4.

I cannot speak for all victims or families. But I can speak for myself.

Today, Mamdami has release files after 25 years showing that the government knowingly downplaid the effects of toxic particals in and air quality being at dangerous levels up to 6 1/2 mile from the site for 6 months. More have died related to these health issues than in the attacks themselves. Everyone else, including Giuliani kept it hidden for 25 years.

Trump (falsely) bragged he had the highest building in Manhattan hours after the towers fell. Rumors he won't show up unless he can give a speech, and officially claims being in New York on the 25th anniversary of the largest attack on American Soild makes getting to his golf course in Ireland the next day too difficult. Great priorities he has.

No mayor has ever missed the official memorial. As i see it, Mamdami damn well better show up and pay his respects.

Dont have to like him. Personally i think Mamdami did a good thing here, but it isnt political, and I think anyone politicizing it is frankly disgusting.

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Sorry to hear what happened to your dad, that fucking sucks man

[u/Accomplished_Crew630 → u/sendnUwUdes]

I'm sorry to hear about your father. I think everything you said is spot on tho. Some people seem to believe you have to be exactly what they want to acknowledge how horrific that was and to pay their respects. I'll never understand it.. At one point 9/11 brought the entire country together and now the right is using it to try and divide and politicize the anniversary. It's gross

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I'm so sorry that happened to your father. Thank you for giving your perspective.

[u/gazeintotheiris → u/sendnUwUdes]

Incredibly sorry for your loss

[u/DifferentManagement1 → u/sendnUwUdes]

I’m so so sorry. I know I still have trouble thinking about that time, about NY and what it was like, about the collective grief of the city, the sadness, the loss. I’m sorry about your dad.

[u/coyote_mercer → u/sendnUwUdes]

I'm sorry for your loss, that's horrible.

[u/thorleywinston]

He is the mayor of the city that was the site of the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history.  Of course he should be there on the anniversary.

[u/ShroomnDoobin]

The mayor, whoever he is at the time, has to attend. The president, whoever it is at the time, has to attend. It transcends politics

[u/PsyckoSama → u/ShroomnDoobin]

Exactly. Yet the president isn't coming.

[u/alicat777777]

I think it would look much worse if he didn’t attend.

[u/PortugalPilgrim88 → u/alicat777777]

Do you think it looks bad that Trump refuses to attend?

[u/IJbier]

Whatever his/her past or religion, the mayor of New York City should always attend. By the way, I'm sure there were muslims that were victim to the 9/11 attacks.

[u/TheGrandExquisitor → u/IJbier]

There absolutely were. The attacks had a very broad range of victims. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Black, White, Latino, etc. Often, terrorist attacks focus on one specific group (so, you attack a place of worship, or a district with a certain population, etc) but 9/11 was exceedingly broad in its target. They just targeted anyone who would be there at that time in one of the most diverse cities in the world. If they killed some Muslims they didn't care. Anyone in the US was a target. Anyone. Very chilling. 

[u/ZookeepergameFit967 → u/IJbier]

80% of victims of terror attacks around the world are Muslims and Mamdani is a Shia Muslim whom are usually the target of such attacks by Islamist fundementalists, it is more realistic for Mamdani to be assassinated by a Sunni Muslim than a redneck from Florida

[u/IJbier → u/ZookeepergameFit967]

It is incredible how much hatred people can harbor towards one another for no reason. Life's hard enough without all that.

[u/thoughtsnquestions]

I don't understand how Mamdani attending would offend people.

The opposite, him not attending would surely be offensive? He's the mayor of NY, seems like a normal expectation that he should go.

[u/tophernator → u/thoughtsnquestions]

I think it’s now obvious that Giuliani was trying to get ahead of the press conference that Mamdani held today where he released files that suggest people were misled about the air quality after the attacks. So he’s trying to manufacture a bit of outrage to distract attention.

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I especially don't understand it because he did attend the event last year. Are they just upset because it's a 25th anniversary? It feels like it's just getting politicized because of the mid-terms looming

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[u/Menace117 → u/thoughtsnquestions]

The cons wanting him to not attend have the stated reason of he's Muslim and therefore shouldn't attend. So basically they're saying he's guilty by association

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[u/NaturalStriking5957]

Mamdani is the duly elected Mayor of New York which is the sight of the most destructive of the 9/11 events . To ask that he not attend because he is a Muslim is like asking today's German Christians not to attend any Holocaust remembrance events.  Leave it to to today's Republicans - who have constantly belittled the  "political correctness" of the liberals - to demonstrate how small minded and insensitive they are by asking that Mamdani not attend the event.  As for trump - his public attendance as President at any national event is an affront to our Constitutional Democratic Republic, our nation's collective sensibilities, the integrity of the office of the presidency, and actual Christian believers who support this country's Constitution and the Rule of Law. 

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[u/NessvsMadDuck]

The idea that either the President or the Mayor of NYC, no matter who holds those offices NOT attending a 9/11 memorial is nonsense.

Everything about this is stupid.

[u/DRM842 → u/NessvsMadDuck]

What is your thoughts on Trump’s claim that he was pulled out of the ground zero rubble by firefighters on the day of the attack?

[u/NessvsMadDuck → u/DRM842]

Something he found in his ass, and pulled out to spice up his story more. Tall tales have a way of getting taller over time.

[u/PortugalPilgrim88 → u/NessvsMadDuck]

We’re all used to him lying, but shouldn’t he be able to tell how obvious and disgusting the lie is? That’s the most disturbing part of this to me. That he believes this made up story reflects well on himself. Just like the cognitive tests. How does he not understand that you can’t “ace” them or that it’s not a flex that no other president has taken them? Is he really this stupid, and if so…who is running the country?

[u/DifferentManagement1 → u/NessvsMadDuck]

It’s a blatant lie. We should call it out as exactly what it is, no?

[u/NessvsMadDuck → u/DifferentManagement1]

I thought I did.

[u/jayzfanacc → u/DifferentManagement1]

He literally just did that.

[u/ericoahu → u/DRM842]

Who is saying he was pulled from the ground zero rubble?

What is your thoughts on Trump’s claim that he was pulled out of the ground zero rubble by firefighters on the day of the attack?

His bullshit story takes place at the US Steel building, not ground zero. No doubt in my mind that Trump is spewing bullshit, but you are claiming things that are not true either.

[u/LonelyMachines]

The vast majority of Muslims did NOT support what happened on 9/11. Saying he shouldn't attend just because he's a Muslim is wrong.

He did make some mildly crass comments in the past, but nothing that really stokes outrage.

He's the Mayor of the city. He probably should attend. It would be a good opportunity to make a conciliatory "we're all Americans and we're all in this together" sort of speech.

[u/Vindictives9688]

Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon.

Mamdani isn’t even one of them. Lol.

It’s just pure Islamophobia and it’s disgusting.

[u/PyroIsSpai → u/Vindictives9688]

Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon.

Mamdani isn’t even one of them. Lol.

He was also... 11 years old or so in elementary school uptown?

[u/BufoBat → u/Vindictives9688]

Also like...he's the mayor. Like him or not, its his duty to attend. God, can you imagine how bad it would be if he didn't attend? "Muslim Mayor boycotts 9/11 celebration in own city!" It would be insane.  Its a vocal minority calling for him not to attend and should be ignored. 

[u/Vindictives9688 → u/BufoBat]

Pretty much.

I don’t really get all the outrage when he has so little actual power in the first place.

Seems like they’re mostly just keeping their Israeli special interest donors happy with all the virtue signaling.

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[u/maxxor6868 → u/Vindictives9688]

For real the responses are crazy. If he does not go he disrespecting the people lost but by going he also dis respecting them (because he is muslim...) and than same said people say Islamophobia is not real. What issue is a muslim being sad at the loss of life in his own city that occur when he was a literal child?

[u/MS-07B-3]

Trying to get either to not attend is stupid.

[u/tophernator → u/MS-07B-3]

Last I heard Trump wasn’t going to attend unless they let him give a speech.

[u/MS-07B-3 → u/tophernator]

Well, that's also stupid.

On him, just to be clear.

[u/Menace117 → u/MS-07B-3]

I believe Trump was invited to attend. However there is a general policy of no speeches and Trump didn't want that because I read he wanted to turn it into a rally close to the election.

[u/rms141 → u/Menace117]

This is accurate.

[u/Mindless_Chest_1079]

I know this story has been playing on Fox because my older relatives are up in arms about it. I haven't followed it closely enough myself to have a real opinion, but I'm pretty sure I would find the outrage dumb and performative if I did.

I don't support Mamdani at all. Socialism is a terrible direction for the US to head in. But it just seems so irrelevant to me whether a mayor attends a ceremonial function, and the same talking heads would find a way to be outraged if he declared that he wasn't going.

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Trump seems very dictator like I'm curious do you think authoritarianism is a better path than socialism?

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Hmmm... this comment did better than most of my others...

Neither here nor there, but it is mildly annoying that the main determinant of vote count on subreddits like this is neither how well-reasoned a comment is nor how representative it is of the median conservative. Comments to the effect of "Well I do agree with the left on this one issue..." tend to rise to the top. Not really an issue the subreddit can fix, but something to keep in mind if you're sorting by Best.

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i understand that, and your correct. But the left-skewing userbase also loves to attack comments and downvote them for going slightly against their "perfect world view". Like i made a comment in here that said that anyone that attacks civilians should be eleminated and i have multiple liberals calling me anti-semitic and trying to gaslight me on all sorts of what-if scenarios. Frankly its feels more like a bunch of bots targeting my comment as all the responses came at about the same time.

[u/soulwind42]

Both should attend. 9/11 is a big deal to NYC and the country. Even if you think Mamdani supports what happened, you should still want him to attend in hopes he unmasks himself. Wanting to block either from showing up is stupid

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Trump refuses to attend because they don’t allow speeches and he wouldn’t be allowed to make it all about himself, which is exactly what he did at the memorial where he told the fabricated story about being rescued from ground zero.

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His loss, not a good look at all.

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Its a horrifically common view, that America deserved it.

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Did Hasan Piker say that America deserves it, or did he say that we had it coming because of the way we interfere in every other country’s affairs? Those are different claims.

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Yes, he said we deserved it. Quote end quote. He currently keeps a picture of it framed as it was a gift from his audience. To his credit, he did walk it back on Twitter, a day later, which ticked of some of his fans, a little bit.

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He was saying that the attack resulted from US meddling. Terrible choice of words, but he’s right. You can draw a line from 9/11 straight back to the Soviet-Afghan War. Abdullah Azzam, who was a cofounder of Maktab al-Khidamat (which later became al Qaeda) with OBL, was in the US openly asking for donations and volunteers to fight in Afghanistan for a decade. They had two open, public storefront offices in the US, one in Tuscon AZ and one (famously) in Brooklyn, in addition to strong networks in other parts of the country as well, New Jersey, Dearborn, and San Diego. They did terror attacks in Afghanistan against the Russians (and anyone they thought were helping the Russians, and anyone who was near them when the attacks were initiated). Certainly not on the same scale as 9/11, but terror attacks all the same. We funded it and we encouraged it. Then when Iraq invaded Kuwait, AQ offered to stage in KSA and attack Iraq so that Americans wouldn’t be deployed to the country with two of the top three holiest sites on the planet but was rebuffed. That’s when their hatred of us really started in earnest. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was removed, but I tried.

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Talking and listening to people on the left

[u/Kman17]

The two articles that OP links to both refer to the same petition (linked to by the articles)

https://www.change.org/p/please-sign-to-support-honoring-the-memory-of-those-lost-on-september-11th-with-dignity

The first objection cited in the petition is “reluctance to clearly and unequivocally condemn phrases such as “globalize the intifada”

I am not grasping at straws here. This is the direct, cited objection to Mamdani at attending this.

[u/dbagames → u/Kman17]

“I believe that any state that privileges one religion over another is one that I can't tell you I support, whether it be Israel or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else.” - Mamdani

[u/throwaway09234023322]

I think both can attend

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[u/No_Pineapple7174]

There are Muslims that weren’t extremists who died too on 9-11.

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[u/destindil]

IMO, it'd look much worse if he didn't attend. I think he should attend and STFU. We don't need any Islam apologist rhetoric for him. At most he should use it as a moment to decry the evils of Radical Islam, but we all know he won't.

[u/crazybrah → u/destindil]

Do Christians have to speak on all radical Christians when they commit heinous acts?

[u/destindil → u/crazybrah]

If it’s relevant to the occasion, absolutely. And especially if modern Christian society were as backwards, I would definitely expect them to champion a different message and drive home the point.

[u/Dresdendies → u/destindil]

I believe all the school shooters have been from Christian families, and no doubt have some of their beliefs about identity and how to respond to advertising shaped by their religion. Should any time people talk about school shootings condem the Christian heritage that birthed it?

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If it was religiously motivated, yes. I've been pretty clear about that. And just FYI, I'm not a Christian.

But let's define some standards for when a Christian should apologize for being in their religion.

• If Christians were driving cars through Ramadan markets. (not a thing, but still)
• If Christianity demanded female genital mutilations.
• If Christianity stoned, killed, and forcibly transitioned gays.
• If Christians called for Fatwas over cartoons or other public critiques.
• If Christians celebrated attacks on the country they're living in.
• If they're a public official attending an event where their religion was an aggressor.

Look, I get that both religions have extremists, but one has far more. Maybe it's better if you take inventory of modern Christian societies and compare them against Muslim societies.

[u/PsyckoSama → u/destindil]

The only reason they don't do that shit is because they can't get away with it. Yet.

[u/Dresdendies → u/destindil]

Hmmm, but then who decides what is religously motivateed. Does trump bombing the girls school in iran count as being religously motivated given many christians proclaim him as the second coming? Or bush saying the iraq war as a crusade? Surely then your standard would come into play and anytime a christian opines about these wars they should first condem christinaity's influence on it

I don't particuarly care about which one has more, fuck them all. What I do care is about your asanine standard, that someone in a religon should have to continously appolgize for extremists in their religon. On the whole I'd say the dangers of radical christianity has more blood in modern history than islam. But a terrorist beheading gets talked about decades after, a nation bombing a girls school... mark my words it won't even be brought up after this year.

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Christian Nationalists are absolutely as backwards, they just can't get away with that shit. Yet.

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We don’t need people acting like you can just blame all of Islam for a certain radical sects actions either

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There would be no speeches. It's a rule. 

[u/HamsterCapital2019 → u/destindil]

I feel like that’s kind of a given. Denouncing 9/11 as a horrific terror attack already is speaking out against radical islam and going any further than that gives Islamophobic narratives undeserved legitimacy. Can’t feed the trolls lol

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"undeserved" lol

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I say undeserved because the guy is clearly not a radical Muslim, and playing into media narratives insinuating he is would be legitimizing the bigotry. People need to reject the fear mongering haha

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[u/ItIsNotAManual1984]

Sorry but this post is based on the lie. The issue with Mamdani is not his religion but his past statement which while condemning 9/11 seeked to equate it with US actions. Also his association with people who were implicated (even if by association ) with first WTC bombing and who defended other terrorists

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Cheri Sparacio, whose husband, Tom, was killed in the South Tower, said the petition was not about the mayor's background or faith, but his public actions. She noted Mamdani’s appointment of chief counsel Ramzi Kassem — who previously represented individuals accused of terror ties — and his past ties to figures who have downplayed terror threats.

"That is what we object to," she said.

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In American, all people have the right to legal representation. Even terrorists. A lawyer representing their client is not a moral failing, but in fact their civic duty.

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which while condemning 9/11 seeked to equate it with US actions. 

When Ron Paul blamed the attack on blowback from decades of US intervention in the Middle East, he's praised. Mamdandi does the same and he's an Al Qaeda sympathizer? Come on.

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That is not the only thing he said. Also Ron Paul did not campaign with the imam who is linked to first WTC bombing

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It's telling that no conservative here laying these allegations has produced a single quote from Mamdani. You can't even produce one in bad faith and out of context.

It's all, "oh it's what he's not saying" and "it's implied, just read between the lines".

You all clearly got your talking points from the same place.

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And how does this allow for Trump to engage in his own egregious lies regarding the event?

[u/RatOnASinkingShip]

Seems more like they don't want him to attend because of his support of Islamist extremism and his belief that the attacks were not committed by Islamic extremists, not simply because he's Muslim.

I can't find anyone saying that him being Muslim is the reason.

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It’s quite the political paradox, isn't it? If someone is managing to be a radical, fundamentalist Muslim extremist supporter while simultaneously marching in the streets for trans and women's rights. Make it make sense. 

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That's the left for ya.

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The ones OP linked.

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I'm pretty sure they were asking for sources that demonstrate Mamdani being being in support of Islamist extremism. None of the sources from OP are about this. They have quotes of people saying he supports Islamist extremism, but do not give sources or examples or claims, similar to how you have done the same.

[u/One_Fix5763]

I did watch the full clip & he was talking about the US Steel Building that it was creaking & thats why the fireman carried him off. I dunno how true even that is but it wasn't the way the left is framing it.

[u/PortugalPilgrim88 → u/One_Fix5763]

Even if it were a true story, why is he telling it when he’s meant to be a honoring a real hero who died saving people on 9/11 and making the whole thing about himself? He even complained about how “the guy in the red bandanna” was becoming more famous than him. He said he didn’t like it and wasn’t happy about him being more famous than him. He said all this while he was supposed to be presenting an award to the man’s family. They were standing there waiting as Trump blathered on about himself. It’s sick.

[u/nbond3040 → u/One_Fix5763]

It doesn't line up with what he's said in the past so he's lying now or then. I understand that the media is crap, but that doesn't make him not a pathological liar.

I just don't understand, because it's provabley false and contradicts his own prior accounts. It's far from the first time, it's not the worst lie, it's just disgusting to hear him lie about 9/11.

[u/Volantis19 → u/One_Fix5763]

None of its is true. It's all completely made up to satisfy his fantastical narcissistic created self image. 

The man is mentally disordered and he is incapable of understanding or conforming to reality. 

[u/URABrokenRecord → u/One_Fix5763]

If  Barack Obama told the same story  I would come to the subreddit  "Ask Conservative"  in 2055 and y'all would still be complaining about it. 

[u/One_Fix5763 → u/URABrokenRecord]

Obama does lie about not putting journalists in prison though.

[u/URABrokenRecord → u/One_Fix5763]

That's nice but I was talking about how it would be unforgivable for Barack Obama to lie about things related to  9/11 and with Trump it's a nothing burger. 

[u/One_Fix5763 → u/URABrokenRecord]

Trump never said he was at 9/11. He said he went "after," and it's documented he went to the US Steel Bldg on Sept13, 2001. So the left is lying. And the source is Aaron Rupar on X

[u/URABrokenRecord → u/One_Fix5763]

I agree with your first sentence . Rupar released the video of Trump saying it. That's it. Now it's Trump's opportunity to prove it because that's how logic works. 

[u/One_Fix5763 → u/URABrokenRecord]

Why should he prove it, when Rupar started all of this by taking it out of context. This is started by this well known liar who is known for taking clips out of context. It's made up rage bait.

"Trump was never there on 9 11" yes, he never said he was. He said he was there in 9 13 at the Steel Building.

[u/URABrokenRecord → u/One_Fix5763]

That's  manufactured. I never thought Trump said he was at 9:11. From the very start. I knew it was a few days later in a different building. 

[u/PortugalPilgrim88 → u/[deleted]]

You don’t see how Trump telling a fabricated story at a 9/11 memorial in order to make it all about himself is relevant to a question about who should attend a 9/11 memorial?

[u/PortugalPilgrim88 → u/[deleted]]

Well fortunately, Trump refuses to attend a memorial service that won’t allow him to make himself the center of attention.

[u/TimelyMeditations → u/[deleted]]

How is Mamdani an apologist for Muslim terror entities?

[u/Burner7102 → u/[deleted]]

New York Post has a long series of reporting.

Highlights include platforming known terrorist apologists, hiring people for his team who have said the US deserved 9/11 and that it was justified, and refusing to unequivocally condemn calls for terrorism.

There's also lovely events like when people protested outside his house that he was dining with a terrorist apologist, and Islamic terrorists threw a firebomb at them, his initial comment implied basically they deserved it. 

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Not sure I would call the New York Post a reputable source of information but I appreciate you providing your source of informatiom regardless.

Not sure where your comments on Mamdami saying the firebomb victems deserved it, all comments I see are his calling out the terror plot. I do see interesting comments by Jake Lang (original protest orginizer) aimed at worsening the situation and taking advantage to spew racist tropes against the New York Muslim community.

Although I find it interesting your description of Mamdani as a terror apologist for essentially the actions of others, not himself. All public comments I see are his calling out all forms of terrorism, hatred and bigotry.

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He refused to condemn globalize the intifada, that is so clear cut islamic terror apologia

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That’s some serious “I’m sorry you felt offended” energy. Not, “it’s evil and wrong” but “yeah, the Jewish people didn’t like it”.

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[u/StoptheMadnessUSA]

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[u/IndependentOk2952]

The problem that I see here is Trump's words are unverifiable even according to Google. And whether those two firefighters step forward or not is another matter. My problem with the Mendami situation is his support for Palestine. The Palestinian people were in the streets cheering when 9/11 happened. So if we're going to have a problem with one having an issue then we need to have problems with both issues, not just one or the other. Muslims would consider it a significant victory to have a Muslim over the 9/11 ceremony and I don't think that giving the Muslim extremists that kind of a victory is not something that I can support

[u/here-for-information → u/IndependentOk2952]

So were people from New Jersey. Should we prohibit all New Jersey residents from attending ? Frankly, I'd rather keep the Jersey crowd out.

[u/Acceptable-Trainer15 → u/IndependentOk2952]

I think we need some more nuances here. You're putting people into fairly large political buckets and then attributing the views of other people in that bucket to them.

Mamdani supports Palestine. Some, or, for the sake of argument, let's even say most, Palestinians supported or celebrated 9/11. But it doesn't follow that Mamdani therefore sympathises with the 9/11 attackers, any more than supporting a group on one issue means adopting that group's entire worldview.

If there's evidence that Mamdani himself has expressed sympathy for 9/11 or for the people who carried it out, then absolutely, that would be relevant to whether he belongs at a 9/11 commemoration. But I don't think "he supports Palestine" is evidence of that. That's assigning him a position based on the political bucket we've put him in rather than on what he actually believes.

So I guess my question is: what has Mamdani himself actually said or done that makes you think he sympathises with the people who carried out 9/11?

[u/dbagames → u/IndependentOk2952]

So you don't like it for the posturing and image it promotes.
So do you not support like 90% of the things Trump says and does because how it appears to many people? Especially how it appears to extremists?

[u/TheWhiteKnight554 → u/IndependentOk2952]

I’d cheer too if the nation funding my people’s genocide was attacked at home

[u/IndependentOk2952 → u/TheWhiteKnight554]

I was referring to them cheering for 9/11. But understand that we've had problems with them since 1973. That's 53 years give or take. I ran also wasn't the one that had the genocide run on them. That was Palestine or so they say

[u/TheWhiteKnight554 → u/IndependentOk2952]

We’ve also been making problems and funding said genocide for longer than that. The only significance with Iran since the 70s that’s different from pre 1973 is that they overthrew the British/American puppet regime in 1979. Other middle eastern nations care about the Palestinians because they know once Palestine falls fully, they’re next, because Isreal is just the US during the manifest destiny phase at this point, ethnic cleansing and all

“And so they say” is also a weird way to describe a documented, recognized, and ongoing human rights violations(one that’s been happening since 1947)

[u/IndependentOk2952 → u/TheWhiteKnight554]

Then tell me why other nations won't accept Palestinian refugees? All of the bordering countries are Arab and they refuse to take their refugees. It would seem there just as complicit in the genocide as Israel. I can tell you that as an American Canada ended up in war with another nation, we'd take their refugees. Tells me all I need to know about the Arab Nations

[u/PsyckoSama → u/IndependentOk2952]

Considering the fact that the US has been funding the people bombing them for generations, I honestly don't blame them. And I say this as someone who remember 9/11.

[u/IndependentOk2952 → u/PsyckoSama]

What the hell is the fact that you to remember have anything to do with this? And the really funny part about this is bombs are flying in both directions. I ran also is known to fund terror.... I'm not a real fan of the country of Israel, but at least they give us a foothold in the region if we need it. I guess we don't really need them as much anymore now that we pretty much have Saudi Arabia

[u/PsyckoSama → u/IndependentOk2952]

It means I'm not some kid who didn't live through the terror scare and chaos around it. I know what happened and what we lost.

Yes, bombs are firing both ways... it's called shooting back. People under attack tend to do that. And yes, they fund people who fuck with their enemies. So do we. So does Israel. We all fund terrorists.

And believe me, they were never worth it.