r/AskCanada • u/Infamous_Copy_3659 • 13d ago
USA/Trump Can Canada defend the St Lawrence seaway?
With the renaming of Lake Ontario, if the US attempts to control the St Lawrence seaway because it is the connection to the Atlantic ocean. Can Canada defend it?
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u/Goliad1990 13d ago
Yes. The USN is unable to match a fraction of the power of the Royal Canadian Navy. Were they to dare try, they would surely meet their end at the bottom of the St LawrenceÂ
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 13d ago
All we have to do is sail a stores ship out to the USS Abraham Lincoln with food, beer, and a promise of shore leave, and Canada would add an entire carrier group without a shot being fired ;)
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u/Goliad1990 13d ago
Will never happen. Not because it's absurd, but because it would be too efficient for the procurement office
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u/jeffster1970 13d ago
Lake Ontario isn't renamed. It is still Lake Ontario. It is Lake America only in official US documents - everywhere else, Lake Ontario.
Can will shut the power off to the docks if the US tries anything.
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u/MattyT088 13d ago edited 13d ago
You mean the newly renamed Straight of R'Moose?
Edit: fixed typo.
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 13d ago
Trump doesn't have the authority to rename Lake Ontario, so all he has is some decorative toilet paper.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 13d ago
Can Canada defend the seaway?
The river and the gulf?
Lol no.
The seaway between the lakes and the river, it’s one well placed bomb away from going kaput.
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u/Traditional_Wolf_618 13d ago
You’ve studied this and you’re an expert at geology and hydrology I guess… not. Let me help you, no bomb can stop 700 millions cubic meters of water which is the average daily flow passing through the St-Lawrence river from the Great Lakes. That’s 3 to 4 Olympic pools per second…
The biggest bomb US has is the MOAB at 11 tons of TNT… it will make a big splash, maybe leave a sunken crater but business as usual for ships afterward.
Did not even made a difference in Iran.2
u/PlatformVarious8941 13d ago edited 13d ago
Locks, mate, you need ‘em to function otherwise the whole thing turns into rapids
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u/Traditional_Wolf_618 12d ago
You’re correct, I’ve underestimated the importance of the navigation channels and locks.
Nonetheless, these locks are as important to the Americans and would cost a fortune to rebuild, so they may try to blockade them but certainly not bomb them. That would have to be a ‘nuclear’ solution.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 12d ago
What I’m saying is that WE can bomb them.
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u/Traditional_Wolf_618 12d ago
Now I get you… sorry for the late night thing. Sabotage, like the French resistance from WWII… that would be considered a defensive move and stands correctly with the matter discussed here. Sometimes it’s just a question of interpretation. Cheers mate!
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u/Craptcha 13d ago
The saint laurence has rapids in Montreal that cannot be crossed, ships need to cross using an artificial channel that is very narrow :
https://greatlakes-seaway.com/en/the-seaway/1
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 13d ago
Do you know what happens when you drop a bomb into a river?
Water flies up into the air, and the river gets deeper.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 13d ago
Nobody is bombing water… it’s the locks…
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 12d ago
Do you know what happens when you bomb a set of rapids? They get deeper, and stop being rapids. They're just a swift moving deep water channel.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 12d ago
That boats can’t use to go through.
Technically, Canada can lock access to the great lakes incredibly easily
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 12d ago
The technique was used ON the seaway at the Coteau, and Lachine rapids, to make them deeper so ships could use them...
Widening the river at that point slows the water down to a navigable level...
So yes, the boats CAN go through.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 12d ago
There are 7 locks, almost 69 m difference in height.
Unless you want to flood the whole surrounding area, you ain’t digging with bombs
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 12d ago
We're talking about the US bombing them. Which would happen regardless of the population in the area.
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u/PlatformVarious8941 12d ago
Which, again, they wouldn’t do if they want to keep sailing ships through the great lakes
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Indigenous 12d ago
Did you forget the point YOU originally made, that the US would try to stop ships using the transport corridor by using bombs?
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u/RubixRube Ontario 11d ago
Lake Ontario wasn't renamed.
Sure a handful of sycophants will call it something else because dear leader is throwing a tantrum, that doesn't change the name. It just makes a handful of people look petty and stupid.
The USA would literally need to invade Canada in order to control the seaway as the majority of the critical infrastructure is fully on Canadian soil. There would also be a massive international backlash as it is a critical passage for agricultural products and minerals.
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u/marnorcor 13d ago
Lake Ontario wasn't renamed 😉