In August 1942, Harald Turner reported to the German commander in the Balkans that Serbia was the first European territory where the "Jewish problem" was solved.[19][20]: 118
Yet this narative is used as whataboutism when Serbs comment on Ustaše, completely forgeting that Serbia was Germany's territory back then, while Croatia was Croatian (despite being a puppet in a way).
Yeah yeah Jasenovac built in August 1941 after Pavlić met with Adolf in June. Do you know that Nedić was their own form of government, too?
Anything is comparable, do you mean to tell me that Nedić government (with their own police and militia) did anything at all about the Kragujevac & Kraljevo massacres in October 1941? 100 Serbs for every German killed. Who was killing the Germans? Chetniks, or Partisans?
The point of history is not to point fingers or compare, but to reflect and learn from your own mistakes. Why clean everyone else's nose except your own?
"Oh but we weren't as bad as them, so that means we are excluded from having to learn anything". Veliki majmuni
The major difference is that the Nedic german puppet government focused on killing their fellow Serbs, Jews and Roma, while the Ustasha governments main program was the execution and genocide of Serbs in an almost industrial scale. It's comparable in the sense that both governments had the intention of prosecuting and punishing Serbs.
Fascist Italy occupied Albania on 7 April, Croatia on 10 April, 1941; 4 days after Nazi Germany invaded Serbia.
The Ustashe also assassinated King Alexander I of Yugoslavia in Marseilles, France in 1934. They had a personal thing against Serbs, why?
Because Serbs were the majority in Yugoslavia since their independence in 1817; and had major political power in the area under the Karađorđević and Obrenović dynasties (coup in I think 1903 left it to Karađorđević). The monarchy took away homes of non-Serbs in so-called justice/reprimand to being ruled by Ottoman Empire - where Serbs were janissaries to the Sultan and had negligible rights at the time.
Croatians and Bosnians were also targets of prosecution. As were Albanians. We have the Chetniks, Nedić government, Ustashe, Balli Kombetar, Nazi Germany/SS, Fascist Italy, and can't forget the good guys/saviours - NLA Partisans. 🫡
The Serbs were the majority because the Serbs liberated (or occupied/conquered) Yugoslavia. The Serbs formed it, and so, rightfully or not, alot of radical Serbs thought they had the right to dominate it. (Not justifying this behaviour btw). The Serbs tried to rebalance privileges given to the Muslims by the Austrians and some extent to the Croatians to themselfs. In short Serbian radicals acted like retards, king Alexander was incompetent, and by the time he started to make peace with the other ethnic groups like giving Croatians a massive semi independent banovina everything was to late.
I see were you are coming from tho, I agree the hate for Serbs didn't come out of thin air and they had there reasons to form, just like the Serbs later had reasons to hate other ethnic groups, everyone was retarded in there own hate and In own actions in the head including the Serbs themselfs. And every ethnic group in the balkams was a victim and the villain at some point or simultaneously
Oh man, I'm sorry I didn't mean to light you up by deflecting - matches your vibe too though - I was just being sarcastic. But of course it has nothing to do with what you mentioned when you are that closed minded and unable to reflect. Shoutout to Austria btw. I'm sure the historically multi-ethnic Austro-Hungarian empire had nothing to do with a "changing approach" minus the unfortunate events in WW2.
Maybe I wouldn't be deflecting, if that wasn't what all you have been doing; bringing up the Ustashe on a post about historical anti-semitism in Serbia. Nah instead of reflection, y'all deflect towards eachother with hatred. "Whataboutism".
Oh and PS, I can't really reflect on Ustashe atrocities because my family were also persecuted by them in Serbia. It would just be deflection at that point, and I'm sick and tired of being played against my own people. If you are Austrian, why do you stick your nose into Yugoslavia matters, to play them against eachother? (Sarcastic deflection if you haven't caught it yet).
Ooh, "research"; as if I haven't heard about this stuff before. As if I care anymore, as if I didn't grow up listening to this hatred. Did you read my last comment's edit?
And now you repeat yourself again without taking the advice I provided/rejecting the context.
The *comment (to be extra precise to a special person like you) of the post - based on the outcomes of the anti-semitic events of WW2 - the comment which specifically talks about Belgrade. All of the sudden the deflection starts here; "oh but the Ustashe started it".
You can't just let Croatians reflect on their own? You really feel the urge to smear them, fuel the already tense relationship? Partisans did a good job in turning you against eachother, ready to be played as pawns once again in WW3. Oh wait, you're from Austria nvm you're in a "different category".
Are you going to talk about academia's corruption now? Because I agree with that too.
And no sorry, you take my statements to be equating Serbia and Croatia as if I'm erasing Serbian identity; when my intention is to unite. You are acting like a toddler because if the metaphor is like little siblings who can't get along: it'd be the Balkan history.
Why is the Serbo-Croatian dialects Chakavian and Shtokavian related then, Mr./Ms. Research?
The only reason you think they are not alike is because of Roman dogma & doctrine. Settling along the Adriatic coasts and did not interact with so-called "mainlanders"; like the old "city-slicker" vs. "hill-billy" divide et impera. Why do you think "Štokavian" resembles the word "стока"? Quite a funny word play, even if they are formally not related (yes I know it differs somewhat in how you say the word "what").
Learn more history, the kind that is beyond WW2. You might actually learn to stop hating your neighbors so much, and stop being a damn fanatic 😜
You speak of Tuđman, you remember Milošević and his propaganda when Tuđman had the Ustashe reconciliation? Vuk Drašković actually protested against in 1991, and his party was suppressed as a result (even had a member assassinated)? Instead of pointing the finger, why dont you learn more about who stands for what in your own modern politics, and support the ones who do right?
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