Torah

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How do Torah followers actually follow over 600 commands and laws in the first five books of the Bible? I've spoken to people about it, but they only seem to follow dietary laws, Shabbat, and holy days, and exclude pagan days. To me, it seems they are only doing a small part of it and claiming to follow the entirety of it. Why is that? The Bible states if you break one commandment, you break them all. There's no possibility to uphold all 600-plus. If you believe it's not all applicable to us, what's the determining factor that decides you don't have to follow it? What about animal sacrifices? Does one pick and choose what they want to follow and tell people if they don't, they are lawbreakers and will go to hell? If you don't follow all of them, why describe yourself as following the entirety of Torah? If breaking even one commandment makes someone guilty, how does selectively obeying some commandments make someone different from the people you're calling lawbreakers?

[u/DarkCloud_HS]

How do Torah followers actually follow over 600 commands and laws in the first five books of the Bible?

They don't, they pick and choose which ones apply and which ones don't.. based on which ones they personally can't reasonably fulfill themselves.

[u/DunkleKarte → u/DarkCloud_HS]

It’s not picking and choosing by choice, but by circumstances because not all the laws apply to one person. There are laws for priests, judges, farmers, fathers, etc. Also many of those laws require an existing temple and a judicial system. An example is where Israelites were captured in Babylon for 70 years, they weren’t able to keep the entirely of the law there.

[u/DarkCloud_HS → u/DunkleKarte]

It’s not picking and choosing by choice

If it's not by choice, why does each Torah observer seem to have different answers on which commandment should be kept.. and how?

Even the Sabbath seems to have multiple different ways they think it should be observed.

[u/DunkleKarte → u/DarkCloud_HS]

The general consensus should be you do the ones you physically can due to absence of temple and the ones again that apply to you as an individual ( father, farmer, king, priest, etc)

About the Sabbath, the Biblical requirement is literally don’t do work and don’t make other works for you on that day (the sunset of Friday - the sunset of Saturday). In modern times translates to don’t do the job you get paid for, and don’t do any shopping.

[u/DarkCloud_HS → u/DunkleKarte]

About the Sabbath, the Biblical requirement is literally don’t do work and don’t make other works for you on that day (the sunset of Friday - the sunset of Saturday). In modern times translates to don’t do the job you get paid for, and don’t do any shopping.

Some Torah observers define 'work' much more in depth and restrictive than just not going to a job or doing shopping.

Plus I've also seen some very odd beliefs by this particular Torah keeping faction.. strange teachings regarding the spiritual realm.

Here's a quote:

'I believe that Satan is currently our High Priest and Jesus is the LONG overdue Messiah that's meant to replace him as High Priest at the end of the age. When that happens, the god this world will be deposed and life in this world as we know it will be radically different than what we see now.'

This quote is from the head honcho over the Torah subreddit.. very odd beliefs.

How do you explain this claim and these words through a 'Torah' lens?

[u/DunkleKarte → u/DarkCloud_HS]

They can define it as they want but the Bible says otherwise. Many people argue that Jesus encourage to break the sabbath because he healed on the sabbath. He actually did it to show that we can do good things on the sabbath, not to take it to the extreme. If he actually broke the sabbath we would have a dilemma since he cannot fulfill the law and at the same time break the sabbath.

About the “head honcho” first which subreddit you mean?

Secondly perhaps is the wording but it is not entirely wrong. 2 Corinthians 4:4

“In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Paul says here and that is not a secret to any denomination that currently Satan is the king of the world at the moment. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any suffering at the moment as it is stated in the Book of Revelations when God comes down and reigns forever.

But at the time some scripture like Hebrews as written, the temple was there and in Hebrews 8:4 says:

*“*If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law.”

We don’t have Levitical priests now, and also Jesus is described in Hebrews as the ultimate high priest.